Game getting "destroyed" by UNI

[Motaz Tarek]

u can start by the line that has an upgrade for demolition as well

 

[maggiepie]

I think the point being made is that THERE IS NO WAY to work out the stats, as there are so many variables and NO WAY of knowing which is where when and who.

Actually, THERE IS A WAY (caps used as apparently this helps to improve understanding?) to make some reasonable, logical, assumptions by examining the university trees, which research could be relevant towards war, and charting reasonable time frames (based off of the 4.5 patch release date). Will you overestimate your war opponent? Yes, you will, because certainly they have not completed each tree. But, by doing the stats beforehand you can factor in any other known buffs to your estimations of university research and you could reasonably estimate where your opponent might fall in a certain research (for example, it's reasonable to believe that if someone were working on Leo and wanting to max mortar hp, they could be at around lvl7 today, without auto-completing; that's about 3031HP, GA lvl without further buffs). I've started toying around and it's really not that difficult whatsoever.

You won't get exact, but all you need is a reasonable assumption, and if a player is so inclined as to be this exacting in calculating a war attack, it is a viable option (aside from the devs just adding the stats above buildings, which I honestly think is just going way overboard for something that doesn't prioritize over other issues). Once you get your main calcs set up, the rest is relatively simple. And if you face a base that's pretty maxed out looking- well, just assume they paid their moneys to max out that university as well...

 

[Quovatis]

The difference between needing 3 demolition vs 2 demolition tactic is the difference between getting 5 stars and 4 in war, and is huge. Not knowing in advance if it will work or not is stupid.

 

[MartinK12]

This is a strategy game. You want surprise - play solitaire
Civilization series and Rise of Nations are also strategy games. We don't play it here to get surprise and traps+library are enough surprise for us

I agree with the OP 100% - mostly because I didn't change anything with my attack combo during raids but I start to losing to often!!! Even against the players one age below me.

-I'm like - wtf... how did I lose all my army within 30 seconds.
-Oh, right, he must have all the uni upgrades.
-Well... too bad...
-I was so stupid that I wanted to attack a player one age below me.
-Now I just need to train all units again and wait 90 minutes till my next attack and 6hr for my tactics and 24hr for both generals and 24hr for mercenaries
-Next time - just to be sure - I'll attack a player 3 ages below me.
-Nope, still couldn't defeat him...
-But yeah - it was one hell of a surprise

That's just stupid It's not strategy
I think I'll start playing CoC again...

 

[maggiepie]

It's less complex then you think, I promise! Mostly just a bit time consuming up front- but it's all addition (adding days, adding the increased percentage). It's doable- and it's arguably a method of strategizing.

 

[Max_imus]

Offense is so OP in global in comparison with defense that its mostly very easy to get a win, so stop complaining guys for god sake...

 

[MartinK12]

But first u need to get to global
And with all current researches +library +uni it will take years

 

[JuDomines]

Seems it turns out to be a discussion between casual players who like the surprise factor ("please bring an ace on the river!!!") and top guns who want to master the game ("ok let's calculate what are my odds if I bluff raise with a straight draw here"...). We guys are not talking the same langage.

 

[Ravenlord]

This is a strategy game. You want surprise - play solitaire
Civilization series and Rise of Nations are also strategy games. We don't play it here to get surprise and traps+library are enough surprise for us

I agree with the OP 100% - mostly because I didn't change anything with my attack combo during raids but I start to losing to often!!! Even against the players one age below me.

-I'm like - wtf... how did I lose all my army within 30 seconds.
-Oh, right, he must have all the uni upgrades.
-Well... too bad...
-I was so stupid that I wanted to attack a player one age below me.
-Now I just need to train all units again and wait 90 minutes till my next attack and 6hr for my tactics and 24hr for both generals and 24hr for mercenaries
-Next time - just to be sure - I'll attack a player 3 ages below me.
-Nope, still couldn't defeat him...
-But yeah - it was one hell of a surprise

That's just stupid It's not strategy
I think I'll start playing CoC again...

Martin, that's disappointing. Are you saying you're going to stop playing Dominations because of one attack - rather than learn from a mistake/misunderstanding?? Not wanting to be too hard on you but if that's your way of thinking, then l say good riddance!!

Adversity makes us stronger but l guess it makes some people run away ...... but by all means, prove me wrong.

 

[Mr Suplex]

Ok Nb4powerup, then BHG and Nexon need to prove what you said with action. As Motaz Tarek said, we see tons of cheating left and right, and have been complaining about it for ages. If it really is a priority, fix it.

There should be simple alogrithims in place that scan the player data and do things like detect someone with max walls, high level generals etc. A simple look at the player's account data should reveal whether they spent the thousands of dollars necessary for these things in crowns, or (most likely) that they cheated. Yet we still see these people and we all know that there aren't hundreds of people spending thousands and thousands of dollars on this game.

 

[MartinK12]

Martin, that's disappointing. Are you saying you're going to stop playing Dominations because of one attack - rather than learn from a mistake/misunderstanding?? Not wanting to be too hard on you but if that's your way of thinking, then l say good riddance!!

Adversity makes us stronger but l guess it makes some people run away ...... but by all means, prove me wrong.

More than one And what can I learn from it? I lose my attacks because of... what... uni? I don't know why I lose. Is it because of upgraded mortars or towers or blessings? And is it because of upgraded defenses attack or hitpoints? And what level of upgrade 1, 2, ... 9, 10? I don't know why I lose And after few weeks it's mostly first level in uni. Just imagine few more months They need to do sth about this. Just small bonus percentage on top of defense buildings would be helpful enough. Otherwise it will be worst and worst and worst...

We saw mortar lvl 5 we knew what to expect. Now all building levels might as well look the same - it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't tell us anything.


I don't play games based on fortune or another randomness like board games with dice. Those games are for small kids or... let's just say people that not use their brains enough I also don't understand all lotteries, casinos, etc. It's just stupid. My father used to say that lotteries are taxes on idiots

I'm just explaining my point of view And last time I check this a strategy game not lottery

 

[maggiepie]

Well clearly we're not speaking the same language, because it appears you're telling me that to play poker I must face my hand outwards so that you may see exactly what I hold to determine whether or not you can beat it with what you've got. So where does it end then? Should I also select the best hand for you, then lay it down so you don't need to be 'surprised' at all?

Don't mistake casual play for lack of skill. I am where I am by very precise design.

In in a meager fraction of the time it's taken people to complain about not knowing any university stats I've near finished making those very calculations and estimations. I've developed a strategy which could help to put me at a war advantage- if I gave a tiny rat's behind about it.

But by all means, continue to 'master' the game by asking for the blueprints to winning to be handed to you. (Just for the record, I couldn't care less about an element of surprise- I more enjoy the challenge of being calculating.)

 

[Ravenlord]

And last time I check this a strategy game not lottery

A strategy game you say - that requires brains you say..... well then why not stick around and use your brain instead of quitting?? Dude, you're contradicting yourself, but whatever .....

 

[Furyan]

Im actually starting to wonder if all these upgrades from all these places work as they say they should. Theres getting a few now

 

[Hugh Jazz]

I find your post very ignorant and shortsighted ... Just because i like the unknown factor does not make me a child. I truely have no issue with you going to play coc which is more of a luck game than this. Go do your thing. This game is too difficult for you.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

Its not so black or white ... I am far from being a casual player and a few posts ago i was very clear about how i felt towards the element of the unknown

 

[Hugh Jazz]

Upgrade your demo tactic, use the mongol coalition .. Problem solved .. Dont bring a knife to a gun fight

 

[Hugh Jazz]

As far as i know they are not accumulative .. Each bonus is applied seperately to the original stat ... Take for example the somewhat recent axtec temple event .. Owning it increased blessing duration by 50% ... Training blessings are only 40 minutes long so it added an extra 20 minutes ... But wait arent training blessings 60 minutes ? Yes normally but only after you have the library tech that adds 50% to the duration. So we ended up with an 80 minute training blessing.

I am reasonably sure that all these bonuses will work the same way .. Versailles adds 10% hp to all your troops, but if you do a university reseach that gives you x% you will be adding that to the base total not the adjusted total with versailles

 

[Max_imus]

I do not like your post...I do LOVE your post

 

[Max_imus]

well, I went global when I was probably 90-95% maxed out IA (if I dont count generals and economy). Its everyones choice when to do that step