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How are these War Match Ups Happening???? 2300 Glory lost in 3 wars.

sileepuppee

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TinSoldier I can't imagine how the game could changed it's war matchups this drastically. We aren't going to lose our 3rd war in a row and yes we are getting F'ed for 2300 glory. It only took us months to acquire it and in 3 wars all that team work is being thrown down the crapper. Sad as it may be I understand the sand baggging aspect and for the last 2 wars we have fell into that trap. This upcoming war will be the third time. We have never used true sand bags before being the most minimal level you can get them before they are in the alliance which is level 8-9. Our lowest players were minimal 50+ because of the substantial losses from the previous 2 wars, we made 2 sand bag accounts to see how the matchup would play out. WTF happens? We get paired with the same alliance from our first huge loss. Here is the kicker in all this, these alliances are only lvl 2 & 3 so the game shoves a brutal handicap up our rear ends because of that. If the alliance levels were closer it would be the reversed number or at least not so far from each other because there's no way we could win. Same deal, Iron Age bases and maxed Cold War bases whereas we have no Cold War and nothing even remotely strong enough. Even since our alliance has been level 10 (And that's been a long *** time)!the lowest we've ever went up against was a level 6. Yet the last 3 wars it's been level 2 & 3. Why would the game suddenly do that? We've changed the member numbers from 25 to 20 as we are trying not to exclude anyone. The very first was we tried our best and that made it a little closer than they expected but we used our best troop cards and still came up short. I'm level 215 and I matched up against their level 281. This matching is insane and we don't know why it's consecutive. We didn't repeat the same things we did. We started the laters at different times. Would appreciate some clarity on this.
 

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Savate

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I realize this will be a bit off topic but I’ve seen this come up a couple times in the forums recently.

Alliance level, the level gained with alliance XP in wars that give perks, has nothing at all to do with glory gained or lost and also has nothing to do with matchmaking.

Sorry about the poor matchmaking you are getting recently, it is a serious problem.
 

Quagmire

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As Nexon can't be bothered to introduce new Alliance Perks, many players from the top teams have left those alliances to start new ones. That is why you are getting matched with low Level alliances, but with top players in them. Most alliances should have reached Level 10 perks by now, if they war frequently enough.

This is a strategy game. Including weak players into a team to lower their overall rating is a strategy. You only need 5 top players in a 10v10 war to get the maximum 50⭐️. So if you can't beat them, join them. And try starting wars at different time zones if you want to avoid the same teams.
 

sileepuppee

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I don't think there's anything specifically written that would explain our current situation. In all the wars we have gone through to get to level 10, our history has shown to us (Perhaps it's different for other people) that the glory has dictated the skill of our opponents. We know once the opponent has been picked, we look at the glory gain vs loss and has always told us what sort of battle it's going to be regardless of what bases are there. We have run into some with strong looking bases but because our glory was low, it was an indicator that their attack ability was low and our defenses proved that to be true. We have run into opponents who have little or no defenses (Atomic bases with i.a defenses at best) yet the glory numbers were almost even and sure enough those particular alliances relied solely offensive superb attack skill and low attack times to win rather than use any resources for defenses and we barely come out on top of those. Again that's just our experience as I don't think war record or war attack ability is a factor but going solely by what we have gone through. And tbh we never looked at the other alliances page to see what their current glory number was as we never needed to.

I know its been said that alliance level doesn't matter but that is the only factor in these last 3 wars that is different. The other difference being that because they are low level, that also says that their current glory is low in comparison. I've checked these alliances we are leaking glory to and they are only at 14K compared to our 22k (22K at that time soon to be 20k). That is the bs that is hurting us. The game sees it fit to even it out because we have so much more glory. Because our glory numbers are much higher that means we are a better alliance therefore the other side deserves to gain mightily if they win. In any other situation (And this is what most of the war matching comments focus on) the glory numbers should be reversed. If we were similar in glory numbers we would be the ones to gain the 800 rather than losing it.

I understand the whole alliance remaking and people getting to level 10 without that much of an issue since you still gain a lot of xp even for losing. I'm just concerned that with all the opponents out there, that we are suddenly getting matched with low level, low glory ones that the game can't distinguish is an automatic loss for us. As I've said in the first post, we have never been matched with any alliance so much lower level in our war existence until the last 3. And I really hate that generic "If you can't beat them, join them" answer. We don't want to disband just to recreate and do this to someone else. Even if we copied their format in terms of mucho sand bags and so on and even if we P2W (Which we won't ever do) that likely won't stop the game from matching us with another low level remade alliances.
 

yemen

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The alliance level indicates that the alliance is new. A bunch of tough and highly skilled players left their old alliance, and formed a new one without any glory or AXP. Once they have done enough wars, they will end up with lots of glory (and a higher alliance level), and glory may again become a useful proxy for strength. But at the beginning of their restart, it is not.

That is why this is so confusing - for longstanding alliances, glory really is a useful approximation of strength / skill combined with $ spent. But for new ones, the glory doesn't match the reality of their strength.

The fact that you are getting matched with them is due to the terrible matchmaking system. They are either carrying many sandbags, or the match is just very far off in averages. Either way, it happens regularly to us. But typically the glory loss is limited, except when we meet one of these start over teams. Last time it happened, we lost over 1000 glory in a hopeless match.
 

TinSoldier

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It looks like you had matched pretty well in offensive strengths, but had wildly different defenses in the past few wars. I can pass your Alliance to the team as a case study.

Looks like you've got a better war match-up currently.
 

Quovatis

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I've seen worse. Our alliance had 20+ CWA and we were matched with an alliance that had 0 CWA, 2 AA, and many GA. They didn't stand a chance. We've also matched the same alliance in 7 out of the last 9 wars. That's just ridiculous.
 

Spaceboy

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Nexon promised us to be more transparant in the matchmaking and display the real strength of an ennemi (not his xp or player level). When will this be available and how ? Thanks
 

sileepuppee

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Currently it has improved but just saying that offensively we are matched would say that the glory should not be so lop sided and that has to be because of their alliance level. If the match making system really just picked out equal opponents due to war weight, offensive power, defensive power, etc what determines the glory number other than they have much less so they should gain much more. Just being a low level alliance would already tell you that they have less glory because they haven't been in as many war battles. And that is in response to people saying alliance level doesn't matter.
 

sileepuppee

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This particular time it's not allowing me to load photo but war history.

Last war won 476 glory gained against lvl 10 alliance dutch warlords4
3) 842 glory lost against lvl 2 alliance (Same alliance at number 1
2) 676 glory lost against lvl 3 alliance
1) 871 glory lost against lvl 2 alliance
 
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