Leonardo and Sejong

[McGregor]

Hi,

I am Atomic Age and far from being maxed. I play Brits and got my main troops upgraded quickly. Now there is an ocean of defensive and economic stuff to finish as well as continuing to upgrade planes and some factory stuff.

I want to tak about University specifically : is it worth going after Leonardo and Sejong trees in order to get their bonuses ? They look uber long and interesting... for researching. But those are already the longest trees to complete lol, and this thread doesn't make me confident about this subject : https://forum.nexonm.com/forum/nexon...ersity-quickly

So do you guys use to get those finals '-1 worker needed' and '-10% reseach time' ?

note : I plan to use 10 or less of my workers (on a total 20) on researches and I just finished Sydney opera

 

[pckrn]

i went and finished them both as a free player but thats because im crazy about university researches

da vinci capstone is nice in that, with the atomium, research times are in even units of 12 hours instead of wacky 0.6 day or 0.7 day. (it is useless to you)

sejong capstone is actually more useful but only if you plan on doing a lot of catherine and suleiman researches afterwards, and you also predict there will be many more new leaders to come. if not, just go for saladin instead.

 

[GRANDPOOBA]

I have a fair bit of Uni Res and Library as well.
Some things I have considered.... as well as that I simply want to do everything.
Reduce cost of upgrades
Once research is done its done....no more upgrading of research and all research applies in every age
Cost reduction also means that upgrades that could not be done because of storage issues ar now affordable
Research does not seem to effect your level but does make you stronger(something to consider if you war alot)

 

[Quang t legend]

Narrower your choices. My plan is getting the De Vinci Capstone first. It is the easiest because the time is lower and you will need those high level heavy tank tech in later age. Sejong is useless in higher research level, so probably don't get his capstone.
Get the Atomium Wonder, use crown rushing it. Then keep research De Vinci all the time.
But don't forget the shooters techs and other useful techs.

After getting the De Vinci capstone you can get other things. Many choose Saladin Capstone because it helps in war.

 

[TizJourney]

My plan is getting the De Vinci Capstone first. It is the easiest because the time is lower and you will need those high level heavy tank tech in later age.

Vinci is a big pain because of last two researches. They require oil and that mean no 30% time reduction and -1 worker that gold/food researches get from easy leaders.

 

[TizJourney]

Also Atomium Wonder is better then Sydney Opera House only if you put at least 9 workers in univercity on regular basis. Or 8 workers if you have a Vinci Capstone.

 

[TizJourney]

i went and finished them both as a free player but thats because im crazy about university researches

da vinci capstone is nice in that, with the atomium, research times are in even units of 12 hours instead of wacky 0.6 day or 0.7 day. (it is useless to you)

sejong capstone is actually more useful but only if you plan on doing a lot of catherine and suleiman researches afterwards, and you also predict there will be many more new leaders to come. if not, just go for saladin instead.

By the way doest it mean that max food/gold research time reduction is 100% - 30% (Hiawatha/Musa) - 10% Vinci - 10% Atomium = 50%. This make Atomium better for gold/food researchers at 5 workers which is quite low number.

 

[Exiliado]

da vinci capstone is nice in that, with the atomium, research times are in even units of 12 hours instead of wacky 0.6 day or 0.7 day.

Excellent point. It's too bad though that we need a wonder and a capstone to achieve what should have been a basic part of the game design.

My best approach to University so far is this. In addition to selectivity, I try to take advantage of the fact that it is possible to get half the benefit in less than half the time. Instead of a full 30% boost I get only 15%, but it's the most efficient 15%, which for me is a good balance point between not doing any research at all and going all the way with capstones prior to Cold War age.

For example, I'm in late Industrial age. Suppose that for my University research I decide to focus selectively on offensive DPS. I will exclude tank damage under Saladin because I'm Greek and already have +25% DPS there. Instead I will focus on the artillery damage boost under Leonardo. To get started I need to unlock fifteen levels of prerequisites costing a total of 35 days, then do five levels of the research itself costing 17.5 days for a total of 52.5 days. That's my critical path.

So after finishing my Industrial age buildings, for 52.5 days I will focus on Uni research under Leonardo. During that time I will also put citizens to work on other leaders including Catherine (heavy infantry and infantry defenders), Sejong (ranged infantry and towers), Saladin (defensive blessings and tank defenders), and others. Not a bad mix, and doing the first half of the researches yields fully half the benefit in under two months, for many key offensive researches.

And 15% is not a minor boost. It's the same as Teutonic Fury, for the researched troops.

Contrast that with the time needed to get Leonardo's capstone: 575 days (1.8 years). For my tastes, that's too much delay in XP gain needed to eventually get to Cold War age.

 

[Quang t legend]

Also Atomium Wonder is better then Sydney Opera House only if you put at least 9 workers in univercity on regular basis. Or 8 workers if you have a Vinci Capstone.

Don't forget getting research early has the benefits!
If you didn't get to Cold War Age then concentrate on the buildings to CW first and go with Sydney Opera, but don't upgrade all the buildings, only the most useful buildings. And still get the easy research for immediate benefits, usually the first 5 techs in a box.
Capstones is a very long time, don't rush for it but don't neglect it.
And there is only one long-term easy capstone to get is the Da Vinci's.

 

[Quang t legend]

So after finishing my Industrial age buildings, for 52.5 days I will focus on Uni research under Leonardo. During that time I will also put citizens to work on other leaders including Catherine (heavy infantry and infantry defenders), Sejong (ranged infantry and towers), Saladin (defensive blessings and tank defenders), and others. Not a bad mix, and doing the first half of the researches yields fully half the benefit in under two months, for many key offensive researches.

And 15% is not a minor boost. It's the same as Teutonic Fury, for the researched troops.

Contrast that with the time needed to get Leonardo's capstone: 513.8 days (1.4 years). For my tastes, that's too much delay in XP gain needed to eventually get to Cold War age.

Yeah, never wait for the capstone to start on the other useful research.
But if you don't start it now, it will take too long to finish the Capstone because you can only research one tech at a time.
A mid road is always put at least 2 workers in Da Vincy. So when you finish your buildings, you can pour more workers into it.

 

[Centurion96]

Neither of the two capstones are worth the effort. In practice, you put more workerdays to get them then you would save afterwards. Especially when the new leaders have reasonable short research times.

 

[McGregor]

That's what I feared.
Anyway, something inside me wants to go deeper in Leonardo tree (maybe hints from Quang echoed) as soon or later I know I will have my moments with heavy tanks.

I try to finish Amelia as well for the Ninety nines but it's only costly, not really long imo.

I finished Mussa/Hiawatha/Moctezuma.
I also plan on changing Coliseum for Notre Dame to save oil as well as some gold/food. I already have the 25% Amelia plane research reduction but only assault fighters Mk2. My mills and market are still not maxed but that's not the main reason I would like Notre Dame. I think about synergies I can make (playing Brits).

 

[Luuzer]

I have done only the fast dudes in uni (even amelia). Sometimes doing some sejong researches (rifleman damage), but most times I concentrate on buildings, cause required level for cold war is very high and hard to achieve if ya dont want to upgrade farms or camels. I plan doing sejong first tho from those long researches, but only after all the new coming fast dudes are done and when buildings are what are needed. I finished my walls last year, and I'm still just sitting and doing upgrades ever 10-14 days just to get levels closer to CWA requirement. So lowering cost on whatever stuff is pointless researches from uni. My storages almost all the time full and cant use any. So dont concentrate on discounts, only what is needed. I know many people have 10+ workers always on uni, I do uni only when nothing smart to do

 

[Manifesto]

With Sejong & Lenonardo l suggest prioritising shooters & artillery if you use those troops. Getting their capstones is nice if that's what you really want but there are other, more useful, reseaches with other leaders that you can pick and choose along the way.
There are also easier ways to reduce workers like Hiawatha and Mansa.

 

[McGregor]

Luuzer : I am far from that given that my walls are mainly level 10 atm ^^
If I understand you say that all the ressources you spent in lowering research cost was a waste because you could have employed them for something else and still never have ben slowed ?

I already thought about that and thought those ressources could be sunk into erecting walls.
But on the other hand, more ressources in your treasury means more raids and a slower developpement.

I maxed my riflemen offence and defence and my artillery offense and 6/10 defense. Still researching that tree.


Manifesto : I already completed Hiawatha and Mansa. Now I decided to always have at minima Leonardo running and somethimes some other guys too, like Amelia if I have the oil. She is costly.
I won't be sad either to get more hitpoints and damage for my defences, like anti-tank guns (Soliman) and wall hitpoints (Saladin).

 

[Manifesto]

Concentrate on Amelia, trust me it's worth it!

 

[McGregor]

I am sure.

 

[Luuzer]

Luuzer : I am far from that given that my walls are mainly level 10 atm ^^
If I understand you say that all the ressources you spent in lowering research cost was a waste because you could have employed them for something else and still never have ben slowed ?

I already thought about that and thought those ressources could be sunk into erecting walls.
But on the other hand, more ressources in your treasury means more raids and a slower developpement.

I maxed my riflemen offence and defence and my artillery offense and 6/10 defense. Still researching that tree.

I dont lower research cost. I would lower time it it would be possible. Resources are not usable most of the time anyway. I went to atomic age in october, I had all walls/gates maxed before christmas. Now past 6 months I have been sitting on full storages 90% of time (I can waste some in every two weeks or so when workers get free, but noth enough), and if it goes lower cause of another upgrade, it still fills fast. Now 6 months after maxing walls I have finally reached required level for going cold war age (it is hard getting to lvl 220 without using farms and camels). I hope to get to there before my 2 year playing anniversary, so I'm hoping for rush event, currently still have 1 tank depot to max and two redoubts etc. Many stuff is maxed (command post, war academy, library, armory ofc, merc camp, roads, bunkers, etc), some buildings still left to do tho...so doing them until next rush event comes. Dont wanna waste so many workers for two week tc upgrade.

Giving raiders your tc will save your rez (especially oil) 90% of time New peace shield every 9 hours (if you stay at the 2400-2800 medals range ya wont be without shield for 5 minutes).

I will get to sejong and uni when useful buildings are done....and now we have that museum to upgrade also

 

[Skyman]

I am at almost the same point wondering the same thing. Though I am Global until summer for the ages.

isnt the answer to get atonium for a period. Go hard at the uni for a while then replace the wonder with the opera house?

 

[Quang t legend]

I am at almost the same point wondering the same thing. Though I am Global until summer for the ages.

isnt the answer to get atonium for a period. Go hard at the uni for a while then replace the wonder with the opera house?

if you do not finish the major Cold War defense buildings then the most important to get to Cold War first. Opera is good for that.