Rethink the cost of drone upgrades

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Accounts that have been in the drone age from the beginning were able to research almost all directives for free. This bug existed for months and players could save 8 * 100k (unlock) + 12* (200k + 250k) (upgrades) = 6.2 million oil. New drone age players have to pay these amounts in full. This is a big disadvantage. How about drastically reducing costs here to be fair?

 

[oddin]

ok very noble!!

And while we are at it... let's ask BHG to offer a few thousands crowns to all players because not everyone got to buy multiple times the offer of 0,99$ for 1.200 crowns.

And we can also request for some oil/gold/food refund cause when parliament came out, the donations were many times more expensive than it is now.

It is the same thinking after all!

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

And while we are at it... let's ask BHG to offer a few thousands crowns to all players because not everyone got to buy multiple times the offer of 0,99$ for 1.200 crowns.

NO, these incorrect sales were fixed within a very short time. The bug I mentioned was continuously usable for a long time. It was discussed in different platforms how to use it and therefore it can be assumed that many players also saved these resources.

And we can also request for some oil/gold/food refund cause when parliament came out, the donations were many times more expensive than it is now.

It is the same thinking after all!

no it is not at all.
Older accounts can have paid more to slow down their progress while others catch up.
But making new accounts pay more to increase the gap to older players is, in my opinion, the wrong direction.

 

[Tedi925]

Resources, especially oil is not problem in drone age.
Biggest problem is upgrade time for everything.
BHG should cut upgrade times for all ages min 50%.
It will make people grow faster and spend more.
People on lower ages get bored when they see cca 10 days upgrades. When I told them in drone age is cca 16-18 days they quit game.
And lot's of players quit becouse upgrade time.

You can travel around word just to wait to upgrade of mortar finnish and do no damage agains troops. Silly.

Cut upgrade times, that's the thing.

 

[King Crimson]

Accounts that have been in the drone age from the beginning were able to research almost all directives for free. This bug existed for months and players could save 8 * 100k (unlock) + 12* (200k + 250k) (upgrades) = 6.2 million oil. New drone age players have to pay these amounts in full. This is a big disadvantage. How about drastically reducing costs here to be fair?

Just to clarify: you're a DRONE AGE player - a TOP TIER player - who presumably has TOP TIER troops and should have no trouble raiding & beating other bases for resources - and you're complaining about have to pay virtual money for upgrades??! Do I have this right??

ps: I've never experienced a free resource bug in this game and just assumed 'paying' for my upgrades was normal - like everything else in this game ...

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Just to clarify: you're a DRONE AGE player - a TOP TIER player - who presumably has TOP TIER troops and should have no trouble raiding & beating other bases for resources - and you're complaining about have to pay virtual money for upgrades??! Do I have this right??

top tier player - that depends on what you call "top". in term of ages: yes. in term of alliance intern ranking: maybe. in terms of alliance ranking: maybe not.
top tier troops - i think that depends on museum.

Just to clarify: I'm not complaining that I have to pay these prices. My directives are completed and I paid oil and speedups for them in the first few days. I asked to reduce the prices for later rising drone ages so that they don't have to pay high prices while others glitched to get it for free.

ps: I've never experienced a free resource bug in this game and just assumed 'paying' for my upgrades was normal - like everything else in this game ...

you unlucky guy. even without wanting to, neighboring forest disappeared for free and without time some time ago. (Before BHG moved the rocks into the 6x6 grid). this was also a free resource bug. if you read the chat from some alliances, there are far more sophisticated ways to save time and resources.
If BHG closes them, then they should also think about not overly disadvantaging the upcoming players.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Resources, especially oil is not problem in drone age.

Depending on the troops, league and museum, the difficulty of collecting oil varies. Maybe with good equipment you collect 500k oil in 1-2h to start both upgrade slots. But not every casual player has a good museum and a zero-loss attack strategy, so not everyone collects over an hour at a time.

Biggest problem is upgrade time for everything.
BHG should cut upgrade times for all ages min 50%.
It will make people grow faster and spend more.
People on lower ages get bored when they see cca 10 days upgrades. When I told them in drone age is cca 16-18 days they quit game.
And lot's of players quit becouse upgrade time.

You can travel around word just to wait to upgrade of mortar finnish and do no damage agains troops. Silly.

Cut upgrade times, that's the thing.

I totally agree with that, but I think that's a different subject. I started this topic to address the injustice of the bug's long existence. We can start another topic calling for a general reduction for lower ages (e.g. up to and including digital age)

 

[King Crimson]

you unlucky guy. even without wanting to, neighboring forest disappeared for free and without time some time ago. (Before BHG moved the rocks into the 6x6 grid). this was also a free resource bug. if you read the chat from some alliances, there are far more sophisticated ways to save time and resources.
If BHG closes them, then they should also think about not overly disadvantaging the upcoming players.

If I read about a bug or glitch on the forums I don't take any notice of it. If I come across it during the game all well and good. Even the current complaint stream about the committees not working doesn't interest me since I don't use the Council. And even if I did I still wouldn't care - it's just a small adjustment in the grand scheme. There's lots of other things in life more deserving of my energy.
Generally I just get on with my 3-4 battles a day, collect the loot and leave the game full for others to loot. As a 380 Drone Age player (just got there today!) there's not much I need so I don't especially worry about stuff.

 

[ElonMusk]

Accounts that have been in the drone age from the beginning were able to research almost all directives for free. This bug existed for months and players could save 8 * 100k (unlock) + 12* (200k + 250k) (upgrades) = 6.2 million oil. New drone age players have to pay these amounts in full. This is a big disadvantage. How about drastically reducing costs here to be fair?

The same can be said about everyone that utilized the now-patched forest glitch to clear all the forests instantly and for free.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

The same can be said about everyone that utilized the now-patched forest glitch to clear all the forests instantly and for free.

That is true. I said this too. See: https://xen.bighugegames.com/index....he-cost-and-duration-of-forest-removal.28811/

 

[theBobNamedDan]

I didn’t get this special cheat discount… I have been drone age since day 1 and built the drone command within hours of release… I also just started the final drone upgrade at full price and have no extra upgrades to do in the drone command…

Did the cost delay me at all? About a week, but really who uses the surveillance directive anyway. It only delayed me because I was really busy at work and didn’t raid for 6 weeks.

For those of us who don’t use cheats and exploits the cost is not a problem, not really the time.

Sorry if you need more ways to cheat the system for your advantage and you have not found them yet…

 

[theBobNamedDan]

Oh, and if curious, I did not use the stupid Forrest cheat and exploit either. I cleared all my Forrest the old fashion way…

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

I didn’t get this special cheat discount… I have been drone age since day 1 and built the drone command within hours of release… I also just started the final drone upgrade at full price and have no extra upgrades to do in the drone command…

Did the cost delay me at all? About a week, but really who uses the surveillance directive anyway. It only delayed me because I was really busy at work and didn’t raid for 6 weeks.

For those of us who don’t use cheats and exploits the cost is not a problem, not really the time.

Sorry if you need more ways to cheat the system for your advantage and you have not found them yet…

It's funny how many people directly accuse me of being incompetent and only exploiting all the bugs to my advantage.
In fact, I have also worked on my achievements. But I am also in a casual alliance and see almost daily how new players quit because they don't make (fast) progress and even long-term players lose motivation because they are overtaken by glitchers, among others.
That's why I suggested making it easier for newer players. Not every casual player collects 300 k oil in one day.

But if you big, strong players want to rest on your high position, not fearing competition from those who are moving up, then that's okay for me. I just thought that more big players make the game more interesting for everyone.

 

[King Crimson]

It's funny how many people directly accuse me of being incompetent and only exploiting all the bugs to my advantage.
In fact, I have also worked on my achievements. But I am also in a casual alliance and see almost daily how new players quit because they don't make (fast) progress and even long-term players lose motivation because they are overtaken by glitchers, among others.
That's why I suggested making it easier for newer players. Not every casual player collects 300 k oil in one day.

But if you big, strong players want to rest on your high position, not fearing competition from those who are moving up, then that's okay for me. I just thought that more big players make the game more interesting for everyone.

I doubt anyone thinks of you as incompetent.
You mentioned 'new players' but you also mentioned new drone age players so to clarify: are you saying you want the game easier for newer players just starting?
Or do you want older players compensated with cheaper upgrades because of glitches/cheating of a few higher players?
These are two very different issues.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

I actually meant both.
1) Here in this thread I was primarily concerned about 5 to 8 year old accounts now freshly upgraded from info to drone. I think there were more than just "a few" players using this glitch. The topic was discussed too widely for that. I read about it in several telegram chats and discord servers. If BHG had reacted as quickly as they did with the faulty artefact sales, I wouldn't have said anything either. But here some were "advantaged" for more than 2 months. I know that 2 months was fast compared to some other bug fixes, but it was enough to get (almost) all research for free.
2) In my other thread about the forest, I was talking about fresh players. The forest topic was mixed in here by Musk and Bob. The first few forests are cleared quickly (less than 8h). If players stay in the game long enough to make it past enlightenment, then long work periods will come.

 

[King Crimson]

I get that you're pissed. I guess I would be too if I knew about the glitch that was there for months and I could've taken advantage of it. But the fact that some people were advantaged is not like others were disadvantaged. The rest of us didn't necessarily have extended or more expensive upgrades - then you could argue for compensation. The rest of us poor saps just got what was expected.
Don't get me wrong, I'll happily accept any compensation thrown my way - but this is like saying "Ebay mistakenly sold leather jackets for 50c. By the time I found out they had already changed the prices back to normal and they should offer discounted jackets to everyone"

Shit happens - but have you ever heard a dung beetle complain?

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

I am not pissed at all. I'm not asking for compensation for myself either. On the contrary, I even think it's okay if the prices and times are reduced afterwards so that as many players as possible can move up to the high ages.
Your comparison is flawed: If ebay had made such a mistake, it wouldn't have lasted for months but would have been corrected after a few sales or ebay would have had to declare bankruptcy after a short time because of resellers. But if we're already using the sale of real items as a comparison: isn't it the case that most items fall below the RRP after a short time?

 

[King Crimson]

I am not pissed at all. I'm not asking for compensation for myself either. On the contrary, I even think it's okay if the prices and times are reduced afterwards so that as many players as possible can move up to the high ages.
Your comparison is flawed: If ebay had made such a mistake, it wouldn't have lasted for months but would have been corrected after a few sales or ebay would have had to declare bankruptcy after a short time because of resellers. But if we're already using the sale of real items as a comparison: isn't it the case that most items fall below the RRP after a short time?

Yeah, I meant ebay seller - an individual business, not Ebay as a whole.
And yes, asking for a discount or a reduction as a general rule is perfectly understandable - people have been asking BHG since day one.
You originally stated ''New drone age players have to pay these amounts in full. This is a big disadvantage''. My point is that if someone gets an advantage it doesn't mean I'm necessarily disadvantaged - I simply get what I'm expecting.
I guess it all depends on how you want to look at it.

 

[ElonMusk]

Oh, and if curious, I did not use the stupid Forrest cheat and exploit either. I cleared all my Forrest the old fashion way…

Good for you!

 

[theBobNamedDan]

If someone is having trouble in drone age getting oil, they should struggle to upgrade stuff… just my opinion.

I don’t understand how they can clear a forest in the Iron Age in hours but industrial age takes weeks. I agree that should be changed.

My opinion is that lower ages should be able to advance faster than higher ages. I think there should be a 5% time discount (for all building, library and armory upgrades) per age down against all ages not in the top 3 ages with a cap at 30%.

Aka Drone Info and Digital get no discount.
Space age 5%
Cold War 10%
atomic 15%
Global 20%
Industrial 25%
Enlightenment and below 30%

When Automated age comes out, discounts shift.