• Goodbye 8th Year Event Goals Fix
    A fix is now live. An additional goal, Earn 5 Stars, has been added. Completing this will grant the additional 500 RP to complete the reward track.

So this is how end game looks like? Huh

Redgar

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Gambinus, I don't want anyone to leave because of my posts. But problem exists imo, that's why I am writing these posts like 'buff the fun' to catch devs attention.

I wouldn't say that french loot too much. You should be able to build 1 peace of decorative wall after 1 hour of play, right? Because it is literally the only thing you can build when your workers are busy.

But 5-star armies are not efficient so badly, that I can't use them even with French, because my loot speed would decrease twice or more, so I would need what? 2-3 hours to build a wall piece? Or log in, play 1 hour, make 10 battles and loose 39 medals after an attack having nothing built and -29 medals?

After they removed factory from TB it all went wrong with nerfs, etc. So don't loose hope for future improvements, but the problem is real
 

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so, you're saying the game is so broken with balance currently that there is no possible way to 5 star at high levels, and that the only nation that allows you to progress after a certain point is France? i might as well just give up now if that's what i have to look forward to, as that seems incredibly boring/tedious.


Yes that's true, once you're past around 1800-1900 medals, every base you encounter is worth 1 medal so its pointless to attempt 5 starring. So instead, the strategy boils down TC sniping using wall breakers and raiders/tanks. Sniping the storehouse also serves as your source for diamonds and among the nations, French serve the best role in end-game sniping due to their fast training times as others have mentioned.

In addition, with many industrial bases with maxed walls, 5 starring is not only worthless to attempt but impossible to do. Multiple wall breakers take up precious troop space in your army and frankly, there are too many defensive buildings with maxed IA bases when you factor in the bunkers and air defenses. So being able to destroy every defensive building with snail pace tanks while the rest of your army picks off defending troops/tanks/heavy tanks as well as other buildings only after you breach their walls is not only impossible but stupid. You won't have returning troops and you'll never get 5 stars. So instead just pony up your raiders and snipe the TC for that 1 shiny medal with half the time and half the food cost it would take using a legitimate mixed composition army.

All that said, yes it is still possible to medal climb and progress without being French. However, it takes much longer and much more effort and I wouldn't recommend it if you're purely after medals. I'm not French but am currently farming crowns in order to switch over to France once I learn how the nations are rebalanced.
 

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I thought 2600 was still fine to find opponents. Now I'm at 2800 and find it hard to get matches. Worst 30 mins I had was 3 targets. Otherwise 10 is kind of the best I can get in 30 mins. Far from my 50 medals an hour at lower range.

I always play at the same time roughly so can definitely notice a difference which is only based on medals and not on sleeping times of players.

So dbuk, if I join usa elite, you'll tell me how to go from 2800 to 3200 in 2-3 days? :)
 

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it's just incredibly discouraging, as i don't want to be reduced to sniping, i want real battles. maybe they should make troops move faster and give you more time to battle with each age. i think in IA they added an additional 7 defense buildings, and you only get 15 more troops (1 suicidal) to take them down.
 

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it's just incredibly discouraging, as i don't want to be reduced to sniping, i want real battles. maybe they should make troops move faster and give you more time to battle with each age. i think in IA they added an additional 7 defense buildings, and you only get 15 more troops (1 suicidal) to take them down.

Well, air units may easily add another 30-40 troop space, but they are long to build, so you can't use them all the time. Bases get extremely big. Regular army needs a buff in IA... Soldiers, archers, factory build times, heavy tank HP, etc wallbreakers splash would help so much too, otherwise they are useless for 5-starring, only for sniping. Or they should work like guerillas vs walls
 

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Well, it's kinda still fine, but idk if extra 30k gold per battle I get is better than lost time of training blessing where I loose approx 5 mins, so it is 2 battles at least. During evening/night time it is still okay, but during a day, it is a waste of crystals imo.
 

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I thought 2600 was still fine to find opponents. Now I'm at 2800 and find it hard to get matches. Worst 30 mins I had was 3 targets. Otherwise 10 is kind of the best I can get in 30 mins. Far from my 50 medals an hour at lower range.

I always play at the same time roughly so can definitely notice a difference which is only based on medals and not on sleeping times of players.

So dbuk, if I join usa elite, you'll tell me how to go from 2800 to 3200 in 2-3 days? :)

Usa elite has line chat where we all talk. I talk with our members more loosely than i do here. U join us and ull have an entire alliance of active chatty people who arent max level, arent max walls. But earned what they have through grinding(and little bit of money).

Ull get better information from that group than some half dead inactive alliance like td full of cheaters or possible millionaires who bought their max walls have no clue what it takes to get there through grinding. Who now quit playing because they have nothing left to do in the game so moved on to the next game where they can cheat buy their way to the top without ever learning the game

But im not stupid. People join our alliance all the time thinking well tell them everything we know so they can take it back to their alliance.

If someone joins they will learn the game from the best if they stick around
 
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so, you're saying the game is so broken with balance currently that there is no possible way to 5 star at high levels, and that the only nation that allows you to progress after a certain point is France? i might as well just give up now if that's what i have to look forward to, as that seems incredibly boring/tedious.

5 star is impossible maxed out bases. U can attack not maxed out bases.. any nation can advance. France is faster ur choice how u play. Things will be rebalanced the pendulum swings. Another nation will rise to #1 status and bhg will make $ from people chasing the flavor of the month
 
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Well, it's kinda still fine, but idk if extra 30k gold per battle I get is better than lost time of training blessing where I loose approx 5 mins, so it is 2 battles at least. During evening/night time it is still okay, but during a day, it is a waste of crystals imo.

Ur still too low redgar. Go to 3000 grab the 150k league bonus then drop to 2940ish while keeping the 150k league bonus. Ull still be at the 5min loss point but making more / hr
 

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But im not stupid. People join our alliance all the time thinking well tell them everything we know so they can take it back to their alliance.

Man, you're too smart :)

So far, I have been changing alliances every month because I haven't found one I completely like yet for different reasons. So I don't really have an alliance to go back to...

The problem with the top alliances is they are all "nation" based. So if you are not american, russian, german, etc... you don't really fit anywhere. Yes I have looked at TD and half the alliance is inactive but it's the only one that somehow try to be international. I'm definitely not considering it because I have left other similar alliances where they only keep inactives for their medals.

I have lived 4 years in NYC so I could claim I am USA friendly :).
 

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it's just incredibly discouraging, as i don't want to be reduced to sniping, i want real battles. maybe they should make troops move faster and give you more time to battle with each age. i think in IA they added an additional 7 defense buildings, and you only get 15 more troops (1 suicidal) to take them down.

U are correct that offense has fallen behind defense and 5 starring is no longer possible. These things change over time.
 

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Well, air units may easily add another 30-40 troop space, but they are long to build, so you can't use them all the time. Bases get extremely big. Regular army needs a buff in IA... Soldiers, archers, factory build times, heavy tank HP, etc wallbreakers splash would help so much too, otherwise they are useless for 5-starring, only for sniping. Or they should work like guerillas vs walls

If we get to the point where 5 starring returning armies is possible then planes will be reusable and the most important aspect of the army
 

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The general thread of this thread is about grinding/playing actively but I'm with Gambrinus - I'm in it for the 'playing for fun'. Granted it's not going to get me 2-3 mil a night but I'm happy to get 2-3mil over 3 or even 4 nights. Everyone has to find their own groove and stick with what works for them.

I have to wonder though: Did we ever expect this game to go from "you can log on for an hour or two and have fun" to "you have to play/grind all night just to compete with others" ??

Cheating aside, I can't believe this would've been the original intention of the developers because this is a sure fire way to bring a great game to a grinding halt (no pun intended). Which leads me to believe that, while they may have a long term strategy for the game's progression, they still seem to be making decisions as they're going along. And we call them 'tweaks'.
 

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Hmm, but 5 mins is like minus two battles in comparison to let's say kingdom 1 where bonus is 70k. Let's say 10 battles bonus = 1,5m, while 12 battles bonus x70k = 840k+300k extra loot = 1.1m. Difference is kinda minor while more troubles. But I am climbing up, np. )))
 

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I think the original intention of the developers is to make you spend money on the game. If you don't want to pay and still want to get enough resources to upgrade your buildings and units, I haven't found a better way than grinding. It is repetitive but gets the work done.

Yes, you can have fun building a mixed army and trying to 5-star people. I'll probably try that once I manage to get all my units to the last level. But this would make you have to be logged on for even longer to get through battles, rebuild and save enough resources to move up. Personally, the medal competition is just something I do because I have to wait 8 days every time to get my workers back and have nothing else to do.

With any free to play game, whenever it starts becoming hard or boring, this is where the developers hope you will start using cash to get past that point. If you can't save enough resources, if you can't be patient enough, if you want to skip the boring parts, etc... that's what crowns are here for.

The key for them is to make sure they don't go too far and make people quit playing instead. And to be fair, this is a discussion that concerns maybe 200 people in this game. The majority of players don't grind like this. But the majority of people won't reach IA either...
 

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Well, if you think this way, majority usually does not even open the game for the second time after the first try out, so no point to make games ))

forum community is the essence of active player base, what concerns them, concerns all active players more or less. Of course, not everybody is in top ranks or goes to forum, they'd rather quit, if frustrated. I've been close to quitting myself after free crowns delivery and cheats accessing IA first, so may be forum helped to pass through those periods.

Regarding grind, I think it's okay on numbers, but can be vastly improved on fun factor and fair competition. It will make players to spend more too.
 

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Yea, but walls are mostly measured in wallbreakers, not in HP, so usually you need two to brake anyways starting from lvl9. May be one IA supper can do vs lvl10 on attack blessing, idk, but that's minor. 5-star army walking around do not need to brake at all, so there are plenty of army set ups where anything beyond lvl9 does not really matter
 

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Yes I agree that its become a bit of a grind. I'm only at 2500 and its becoming pretty boring, went back to a mixed army but its looking more and more like the only efficient way is to go raiders and wall miners. Its kind of depressing that their seems to be only one way to play if you want to be efficient. I still have a long way to go, industrial age but have lots more to upgrade.

So I agree they definitely need to think about rebalancing the armies again. A fully upgraded offense should be able to 5 star a fully upgraded defense. Maybe having to use generals and tactics but shouldnt be a necessity.

As for alliances not based on nation if your looking hunter killer check out sparta or death were hovering at around 20th in the alliance table. Very international crowd with players from all over the world.

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