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The Importance Of Open Mindedness

Macku

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After spending some time with Dominations and perusing this forum, I've noticed one thing in particular that is a little concerning: the total lack of open mindedness when it comes to tactics, civ choice, and wonder selection. As of this writing, the community at large regards certain wonders, particularly the defensive ones, as the only option for late game success. For at least the Iron and Classical age, this means that 3/4 and 2/4 wonders are completely disregarded from the get-go. This is so severe that I cannot find anywhere — on the forum, subreddit, or wiki — what the Terra Cotta Army does, or any arguments for Hanging Gardens, Pyramids, Stonehenge or others about why you would ever use them.

Personally, I have the Hanging Gardens, and find myself very rarely worrying about resources — particularly trade goods like cider and metal which help bolster your army with mercs. Is my base as well defended as someone with an Acropolis? Maybe not, but I'm confident that I'll continue to be happy with the piles of food & gold, cider & metal that I bring in all the time. There's also the matter of Fruit Tree and Gold Mine refresh time scaling: every age it takes longer for these to refresh. There are long term benefits to the Hanging Gardens (like being able to more frequently collect cider and metal late game) that never get brought up, mostly because the community has a few people claiming to be authorities when really they're just theory crafting. As a result, you see the same 2 wonders in every player's base.

I'm happy to report that I'm building the Terra Cotta Army as we speak. Maybe it'll suck, I'll be sure to let you know. If anything, I'll be able to help fill out the wiki and wonders sticky in this forum so it's no longer a mystery to everyone playing the game. Maybe there's a reason that no one builds it, but as far as I can tell, the biggest reason no one uses it is that there are more voices saying that defensive buildings are the only worthwhile wonders, and every new player is listening to them rather than exploring for themselves.

TL;DR: Don't be afraid to choose the civ you want to play, or build Wonders that aren't Acropolis/Colosseum. The Dominations metagame is undeveloped, and you could be missing out on unique benefits and play styles by just following the loudest voices on the forum.
 

Koa the λyatollah

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The Terra Cotta's daily use is 10 archers and 10 footsmen of your current BS rank. Remember that colly is not strictly defensive. Also, bro, please.. this is the internet. Could have summed it up by saying, "warning: this is the internet and it is a cesspool of crowd mentality and opinions".
 

Twoarmy

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Personally, to start with this game, I went with what people have had success with, just because it does give a certain peace of mind. But with that being said, I do want to create another account to play around with the wonders and civs that most people have been against. Also, with the idea, that we might be able to change civs or wonders later on, I regret not starting with the civilization I think would look the best.
 

Macku

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Well that's a given, and if I had just said that then I wouldn't have found out what the Terra Cotta daily power is until I finished it. I'm just tired of invading the same two bases all of the time, and hoping a more diverse set of playstyles will emerge. Thanks for the reply!
 

Isekai

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I picked Romans but I wish I took Japanese to go with Acropolis and Collussuem combo. Lossing alot to these defensive bases
 

Andy

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I think the open mindedness also comes as a result of the game being a closed pathway - people have been asking for a "Change nation" and "Change wonder" purchase system for ages, and been ignored.

I started this game ages ago, I hadn't yet been on the forum, and I picked my wonders based on the very limited amount of info available in the game itself. I think I picked Romans because they are good at offence... and I figured that'd be good in a game about war!

I guess once people get stuck in a pathway they can't change, then it's frustrating to read in the forums about combinations you wish you could try out?

If they had the options to change, I'd stick wtih what I've got, but perhaps that is more good luck than good management!!
 

Joe Bamboo Wissmann

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I went with China, and built the StoneHenge and Notre Dame as my wonders. I made my choices based on what I wanted from the game and from my civilization. i agree with you that I see a lot of the same bases and wonders when I attack, and thats fine with me. I am progressing very quickly with the resources I am gathering and defense seems to be irrelevant right now, its all about attacking.
 

Raestloz

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I feel for you. I actually regret choosing Acropolis for my Japanese because the range is very short. I actually thought that wonders work at global range Forbidden City is one of the wonders that get completely left out, someone finally confirmed that it does nothing other than stalling Town Center star. Considering the fact that this game is all about choosing the right stuff for you, would it really kill the devs if they make some kind of wiki available for us? It's not like leaking the next SONY movie, which may indeed kill you
 

sjb

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I built the coliseum and acropolis because they provided the best of what I wanted. I still think they do but like the idea of the hanging gardens giving trade goods. It's what I struggle with most.

I think it is important NOT to be able to change your wonders or nations and be forced to find strategies that will bring out the unique strengths of each combination.
 

Mizzo

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I picked hanging by the gardens, and that wonder is completly usless, after a certain age its going to take days to upgrade your buildings, all your "builders" will be busy building because u will want to upgrade every building as fast as you can so you can upgrade the rest. So the bonus it gives, will you be able to benefit from it? not so much. Besides the library will increase your chance of getting cider and metal later in game if you're worried about not having enough.
Also i usually get Cider every 2 attacks.
My opinion they have to do something about that useless Wonder. The amount of food and gold bonus gathering the wonder offers, well... you lose alot more from just 1 attack.
 

NatalieRath

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Hanging Gardens is great if you're active all the time and always have spare builders :)
 

AltoNick

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Hanging Gardens is great if you're active all the time and always have spare builders :)


Not really. I picked that wonder, and regret it immediately.
Do the math. In mid game you ll have most likely to have full workers busy, so you really cant farm and mine all the time.
Of course maybe later you ll have some Idle vills, but still, this wonder gives you 200+ from each mine and tree, so this give you 1200, more or less. And this really doesent make any difference.
I dont agree with the change civ or wonder, couse then I can pick a wonder that it fits with my early game, and then changes it for a late wonder game.

This gardens really boosted my eco in early game, but the best wonder I can think for the first 4 to pick is stonehenge or the one that give you a farm boost. You can see that this 2 have late-game value, and ll last all the game, no need for idle vills, give you always a % that ll increase thru the game.
 

Macku

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Not really. I picked that wonder, and regret it immediately.
Do the math. In mid game you ll have most likely to have full workers busy, so you really cant farm and mine all the time.
Of course maybe later you ll have some Idle vills, but still, this wonder gives you 200+ from each mine and tree, so this give you 1200, more or less. And this really doesent make any difference.
I dont agree with the change civ or wonder, couse then I can pick a wonder that it fits with my early game, and then changes it for a late wonder game.

This gardens really boosted my eco in early game, but the best wonder I can think for the first 4 to pick is stonehenge or the one that give you a farm boost. You can see that this 2 have late-game value, and ll last all the game, no need for idle vills, give you always a % that ll increase thru the game.


I think it's probably stronger than people think, as most people aren't in the late late game where they can really measure its benefits. That said, I see where you're coming from, and have faith that the dev team will take efforts to balance any Civs and Wonders that are underpowered, which is another reason I feel like people should try to be open minded and creative with their Civ/Wonder choices.
 

NatalieRath

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Well :) I am happy with my hanging gardens :) I am going to lose to people in medieval and gunpowder anyways
 

Koa the λyatollah

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Guys please remember that the advantages are by and large very small all other things considered. People often get 'grass is greener' syndrome when faced with choices and ability to witness others' choices in not only games, but all life pursuits.

Be at peace with the choices you make, but don't think for a second that choices do not have consequences or that they do not require thought and dilligence to reap the benefits.
 

woolybugger

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Forum is a place for discussions of different ideas and experiences.
Do share what your gameplay is like with a particular civilization of wonder.

I think in the end all roads can get you to victory/max level. It's just how you get there - whether more farming vs. raiding, etc.
If you like to play farm-and-hold then pick the wonders/civ that encourages that style, and vice-versa.
 

dbukalski

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u wont ever get there farming. people will farm ur farms. you either play this game hardcore raiding or ull never see enlightenment or space age
 

Andy

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Yep, I'm sorry to say he's right. The price of things in GP and Enlightenment exclude farming as a really viable option, unless BHG alter the food/gold but they probably won't as they are no doubt trying to encourage battles and in-game spending.
 

Vasheir

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Here is why I like the Hanging Gardens and / or anything with an economical boost:

I'm currently in the Iron Age with max resources in storages of 161,400. Overnight I will get nailed by some higher level sweeping through and taking upwards to 39k resources. Next day while I'm at work with a 12 hour shield, before my lunch break I'm back at max resources. With all other buildings maxed, I have 4 workers sitting idle until Classical finishes. When I start Classical I'll not be fretting over my resources.

Why should anyone fret over resources? Just attack and fill your coffers, right? Well, I don’t always have time for that.

I personally have enough "in-between" time in my scheduling to do the hunting and gathering. I don't have enough in-between time to focus on attacking until later in my day. Additionally, it's more prudent for me to be able to abruptly stop hunting and gathering than an attack when my scheduling shifts (which it frequently does). It fits my life far more desirably; thus I will attempt to play with a strategy of keeping builders open.

If I enjoy a game enough I'm willing to drop a dime or two as a token of appreciation! In this scenario, while writing this post, I went ahead and did their $10 dollar special to get 2 additional builders (max storage is now 161,600) and crowns. Now I’ll be able to build 8 workers worth of upgrades while still being able to hunt (until all I have available is bears, pigs and stags). In Clash of Clans, it’s not that hard to get 4 builders, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] is a reasonable $ amount. I try to keep 4 working with 1 idle for walls and clearing junk.

My presumption is that I'll be very self-sufficient at end game; maybe even feeding the economy as folks 5 star me. However, I'll not likely find myself wanting as I would in my Clash of Clans account(s). I've been at TH8 for an ungodly amount of time simply because I struggle to restore my economy without dedicating myself to attacking.

Simply put, it fits my life better.

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