Time to raise or remove the donation cap

[SirViper]

This has been an annoyance for everyone for far too long. Capping the donations to 6 troops serves really no useful purpose. Purely an annoyance to everyone. What good is it that I can fill someone’s request except maybe 1 or 2 filler troops? It just clogs up the chat window with unfinished donation requests.

I don’t see how raising or removing the cap entirely does anything to negatively affect the game.

Its even worse for war when I can fill the vast majority of bases but for the ones that need topping off, players can’t even tell what I’ve already donated (which should also be fixed). Just let me fill the base entirely!

 

[Davina]

Agree with this. Maybe there is a valid reason for 6? I can't see it.

 

[oddin]

absolutely agree

 

[Cannibals]

Part of winning is in preparation. The limit of 6 requires you to coordinate with your fellows for optimal performance, and those that can will prosper.

 

[Epic Ninja]

It has always been that way so it's not the end of the world if they just maintain the status quo, but it would be nice if they lifted that restriction. It would also be nice to know the official reasoning behind the 6 (of a specific kind of unit) troop limit. They might have a good reason for having it in place.

 

[No Angel]

6 is a lucky number.
Can you guys please stop questioning things that have been designed from the beginning? Well, questioning is allowed but demanding to change the original ideas will probably require you to own the company eh?

 

[Mat 3 BloodyBarons]

Agree with No Angel, don’t change some basics, more changes more buggy

 

[BHG_Muet]

Quick update on this topic: I agree that 6 is too low when compared to how the donation pop cap has expanded. We'll look to increase the unit limit in an upcoming release.

 

[Persia]

Why is there any limit at all to begin with? If people donate too many bad troops, the only plausible issue I can see, just tell them to stop or eventually kick them from the Alliance. It’s especially annoying when someone has, say, 18 troop spots, and I try to donate a tank and eight soldiers, and I can only send five. I have to log into another account to send the remainder of the troops. To sum up, I don’t believe it’s “too low when compared to how low the donation pop cap has expanded;” I think it’s unnecessary in any scenario.

 

[pckrn]

Quick update on this topic: I agree that 6 is too low when compared to how the donation pop cap has expanded. We'll look to increase the unit limit in an upcoming release.

nooo dont touch it youll break it and create bugs. we finally have a donation system withou bugs after years and its going to be wrecked

whats wrong with 6 donations per person anyway? you dont have to fill someones request single handedly. and actually, you could if you wanted to. we have all sorts of units at 24,12,10,9,8,4,3,1 pop costs. you could create any multiple of 3 with combinations of these

 

[yemen]

pckrn I don't know what you are talking about, it is full of bugs and glitches right now. I get on and have 5 requests sitting there, and I can't donate for at least a few minutes until it decides it has updated and knows how many are there already. Sometimes it never does update, and I just get "please wait" until I give up.

Sometimes filled requests sit in chat looking unfilled until the drop off the chat log. Sometimes they just can't be filled at all until the person requests again.

Sometimes I get a request partially filled, use up those troops in a battle, and then request again with my TC empty, but the request only shows the space that was there before I dumped the already donated troops.

All of those things would be less painful if the first person to see the request could fill it completely without worrying about how many of which type of troops they could donate to get an exact fill. Glad to see the designers are considering that change, it would be very appreciated.

 

[Persia]

Yep. The poster you’re responding to is, frankly, extremely and egregiously wrong. I don’t understand why donations take forever to be allowed now. I can send a request, tab out to my alt, and I’ll have to wait for Nexon’s dial-up internet to register how many troops have been sent? I mean, seriously? If I recall correctly, this was never an issue in the past. Moreover, you aren’t *supposed* to fill requests with “combinations” of every unit; people want specific units. This is especially important when it comes to war.

If restricting people from donating upon logging in was done intentionally, it’s one of the stupidest and most useless additions to the game I can imagine. Even the rebalance had a broad reason behind it: improve the game for people, because there’s lots of complaining about easy five-star victories. Sure, fair enough. But this new bug or feature is entirely problematic. And if it is a feature, it’s nonsensical, because the only likely explanation is to stop donation bugs. In my eyes, when you cater your game around cheaters, removing a feature to ensure they can’t abuse it, you’ve admitted defeat. That’s analogous to bowing down before the cheaters and letting them dictate what gets done with *your* game.

 

[yemen]

Persia - I don't like the delay, but do know why they did it, and it was as you noted to stop the donation bugs. Players would have entire armies in their TC, and it was pretty easy to abuse. It was also easy to accidentally have it happen, frustrating for everyone.

The fact that they couldn't fix that without putting a stupid and obnoxious lag time on there is ridiculous. But there have been donation related issues as long as I have been playing the game, and more generally issues with anything that happens through the chat interface. It is not a well designed system.

 

[BHG_Muet]

Persia There's a wide range of reasons, not all carry equal weight. But, in general, we're considering:
1. Finding the balance between being able to solo help someone vs. needing donations from multiple players.
2. Reducing the number of "unfilled" requests in chat that sit around with just a few pop left.
3. Performance is always an ongoing consideration. How many additional entities can a donation comfortably add to an attack?
4. Generally getting what you ask for but also nudging toward a variety of troop usage and exposure.

 

[NateTheGreat]

The problem now is that if you log off right after sending a request and someone fills the request, well bye bye troops. You have to stay logged on to receive donated troops.

Also the donation lag is very frustrating. The lag even applies right after I change my load screen from WW or get out of a battle.

 

[pckrn]

hmm i didnt realize these problems exist. the delay never lasts more than few seconds for me and ive never had any of the other problems with my alts or have i observed it in my alliance. but anyway, Muet said the cap expanded not removed, so i still think that we would have the same problems we have now, with a chance to create more problems. i dont have a lot of trust towards them doing things right and id rather they dont touch it.

and Persia ‘combinations’ are ok because everyone uses some combination of units. a shooter/howie user with 30 cap can be given 3 howies and 3 shooters, or 3 howies and a machine gun, or 2 howies and a apc, or 2 howies and 3 bazooka, or even 1 apc 3 bazooka 2 machine gun, and it will all be helpful donations.

NateTheGreat if you log off right after you make a request, the request doesnt have a chance to get to the server and other people never see that request. gotta wait a few sec before you log off, and this isnt a current thing, its been like this forever.

 

[Persia]

yemen — Well, my post was conjecture, but I can’t say I’m surprised. Nexon needs to fix the bugs instead of making donating more cumbersome. DN Asia apparently does not let me have the donation account open on both my phone and tablet, so there’s no way for me to log into one with each account, and furthermore, I often play when I can’t use my phone, and it logs me out of one when I log into the other. I should be able to have two accounts each device anyway. It’s highly annoying that they’d implement something so annoying to deal with cheaters, something that should be another fixed bug, not one they conveniently patch out by making donating far more cumbersome.

pckrn — This really depends on which age you’re at, and I think the point stands that the limit is simply not useful. What if someone wants a bunch of foot soldiers or archers? Or more than six of any unit?

 

[No Angel]

I think 6 is good. It's the number of first alliance troops capacity once we hit Iron Age, remember?
And so the journey follows.
It's interesting if there was someone wanting all archers/infantry donation, while his capacity was 30, and yes it happened actually (a few all-HT users did this). But it's a rare event, so it's not urgent. Either is donation cap.
Better fix the bugs before messing with what's been existing for so long in DomiNations history

 

[Manifesto]

Persia
If someone wants all of one type of troop all they have to do is ask.
But hopefully they can change the system to make things easier all-round.

 

[Manifesto]

No!
This is a first world problem for some, it demands attention!