Troop/tactics balance problem

[Nikolay]

It's been two months since the release of the v12.19 update. Bombers and Demolition leave no chance for the defending player, even if he has an excellent Museum and Council for defense. There are no countermeasures. As a result, the defense players suffer, they are just punching dolls. And the attackers have relaxed and are losing interest, because they can play with a mug of beer in one hand.

@Harlems369th @TheWise @BHGAustin @BHGSarah when will the update come out that will nerf Bombers and the Mongol coalition? Where is the promised rebalance? After 12.20, the attackers are gaining momentum and strengthening the Showcase. Defense players get very few bonuses from it. Also, now there is a Museum event to search for artifacts of war and many attackers have already found artifacts with 3-4 identical benefits for damage/hit points of bombers. At the same time, the defense players already have everything they need and are running into the 85% limit.
This is no longer funny, the situation is turning into a big problem

 

[Rollin]

Well you say only top 10 maybe top 50 do not matter in game if they have game ruined. This I don’t get I would like everyone not just this group or that group to enjoy the game. Now you seem to just want people that have put more
Into game to be punished have game ruined so you can advance with ease.

What sad life to wish bad onto one group so they quit so you can be a 5 star champ with bombers lol This is just sad.

Now before i get reported again I will stop replaying to your troll post now that everyone can see that

Its simple, its like…

If you cant become a boxing world champion because you don't have enough skill as a man, just go to the womens boxing and get the world championship title



If you want to hold as a defender, just play in the top 1,000 allies but spend several thousand dollars.

Why didnt we think of it before ? We simply play in allies that don't invest any money, but we do.

What do the top 50 allies do then ? Timewars all the time ? Because theres no defense anymore.

And TADA balance, BAD bad TROLL !!

P.s He simply has no idea about the top 10-20 We all know each other very well and we know that certain allys are extremely fast and we give up befor, to save units. Why should we spend money on statistics ? To show, "HEY BHG U SEE THAT ?"

statistics STATISTICS…

 

[Davis - The Emissary]

Hi all, just a quick message here as I don't want you to think I've forgotten about you. I had lots going on this week, but I'll do my best to be more active here next week. Really appreciate the efforts from those choosing to discuss in a civil manner.

Gentle reminder; feel free to quote any 'facts' that you would like, but everyone on the forums has the right to their opinions. I'm already seeing first hand an example of how you treat those who differ in opinion from you @Rollin. If you truly want discussion and change to take place you have to leave space for those who disagree. Otherwise we will have to remove you and anyone else who does the same from the conversation.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend~

 

[Rollin]

Hi all, just a quick message here as I don't want you to think I've forgotten about you. I had lots going on this week, but I'll do my best to be more active here next week. Really appreciate the efforts from those choosing to discuss in a civil manner.

Gentle reminder; feel free to quote any 'facts' that you would like, but everyone on the forums has the right to their opinions. I'm already seeing first hand an example of how you treat those who differ in opinion from you @Rollin. If you truly want discussion and change to take place you have to leave space for those who disagree. Otherwise we will have to remove you and anyone else who does the same from the conversation.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend~

People dont want to discuss; they want to troll or provoke and don't think for 5 minutes about what they write. That's all

Im just afraid that youll still believe this nonsense from people without facts

and then BAM the defense gets nerfed again, who knows

 

[Pokusay]

Hi all, just a quick message here as I don't want you to think I've forgotten about you. I had lots going on this week, but I'll do my best to be more active here next week. Really appreciate the efforts from those choosing to discuss in a civil manner.

Gentle reminder; feel free to quote any 'facts' that you would like, but everyone on the forums has the right to their opinions. I'm already seeing first hand an example of how you treat those who differ in opinion from you @Rollin. If you truly want discussion and change to take place you have to leave space for those who disagree. Otherwise we will have to remove you and anyone else who does the same from the conversation.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend~

Good evening, sir. To keep this conversation civil, you, as a developer, could at least provide a few answers to the questions being asked by the Defenders of this game. They, mind you, spend a fair amount of money on your game. But you remain silent. We believe you haven't yet realized what you've done.

 

[Bandama]

Hola a todos los llorones defensivos, me gustaría preguntarles si forman parte de alianzas exclusivamente defensivas. ¿Por qué sus aliados ofensivos de cada alianza no se quejan de los ataques de bombarderos y morteros? ¿Están de acuerdo con sus llantos diarios? Y sobre las quejas por los gastos, parece que son los únicos que gastan dinero en el juego. Descansen un poco y vivan la vida. Saludos cordiales y perdonen mi inglés.

 

[Seek]

Hi all, just a quick message here as I don't want you to think I've forgotten about you. I had lots going on this week, but I'll do my best to be more active here next week. Really appreciate the efforts from those choosing to discuss in a civil manner.

Gentle reminder; feel free to quote any 'facts' that you would like, but everyone on the forums has the right to their opinions. I'm already seeing first hand an example of how you treat those who differ in opinion from you @Rollin. If you truly want discussion and change to take place you have to leave space for those who disagree. Otherwise we will have to remove you and anyone else who does the same from the conversation.

Hope you all have a lovely weekend~

Well thank you @Davis - The Emissary for reminder and wishes of a good weekend. I extend wish of good weekend to you and rest of players who read forums.

 

[Seek]

People dont want to discuss; they want to troll or provoke and don't think for 5 minutes about what they write. That's all

Im just afraid that youll still believe this nonsense from people without facts

and then BAM the defense gets nerfed again, who knows

I do agree. Just saying

 

[Ezekiel]

It doesn't mean that just because YOU can do it, the majority of players can too

I admit most players can't do it, but it's not just one person who can — many top attackers all can. Even if only one person could do it, the very existence of such time would be highly unreasonable and clearly shows how unbalanced the game is right now.
Btw mortar attackers with 350+ edst are even easier to get time around 1:15-1:35 on big defenders

 

[stas]

I admit most players can't do it, but it's not just one person who can — many top attackers all can. Even if only one person could do it, the very existence of such time would be highly unreasonable and clearly shows how unbalanced the game is right now.
Btw mortar attackers with 350+ edst are even easier to get time around 1:15-1:35 on big defenders

Do you know that the majority of players still struggle to 5-star defenders? So what do you want to do? Make defenders even stronger just because SOME players beat them easily? That's your solution? Make the game harder for everyone because of that?

 

[Ezekiel]

Do you know that the majority of players still struggle to 5-star defenders? So what do you want to do? Make defenders even stronger just because SOME players beat them easily? That's your solution? Make the game harder for everyone because of that?

Looks like you're playing a different game than everyone else. Or maybe you just want BHG to weaken D so much that even a farmer or a newbie could defeat any defender with a simple tap on the screen.
We have countless facts proving just how weak the defenses are now, while you can only muddy the waters with vague statements like ‘majority players struggle to 5star defenders’ or ‘99% wars are not time wars’.
Moreover, the fact that many players can’t 5-star defenders or can’t take down defenders in 2:30 is the game's normal status. If everyone—or even half the players—could defeat defenders easily, what would be the point of the game? To have time wars 24/7? To see which side gets luckier, with the forest defenders spawning in a more advantageous point?
You must understand that the vast majority of players have no idea how to play this game or what tactics to use, when to use and what troops to use. They aren’t even familiar with the weapons in their hands, let alone know how to attack. However, these players always delude themselves into thinking they are skilled attackers. They blame their failures on ridiculous excuses like ‘the defense is too strong and the game is so unbalanced’ or ‘other players who perform better than them are cheating’ etc. You want defense to be weaker so that even these ppl can 5-star most defenders only by tapping randomly on the screen?

 

[Seek]

Looks like you're playing a different game than everyone else. Or maybe you just want BHG to weaken D so much that even a farmer or a newbie could defeat any defender with a simple tap on the screen.
We have countless facts proving just how weak the defenses are now, while you can only muddy the waters with vague statements like ‘majority players struggle to 5star defenders’ or ‘99% wars are not time wars’.
Moreover, the fact that many players can’t 5-star defenders or can’t take down defenders in 2:30 is the game's normal status. If everyone—or even half the players—could defeat defenders easily, what would be the point of the game? To have time wars 24/7? To see which side gets luckier, with the forest defenders spawning in a more advantageous point?
You must understand that the vast majority of players have no idea how to play this game or what tactics to use, when to use and what troops to use. They aren’t even familiar with the weapons in their hands, let alone know how to attack. However, these players always delude themselves into thinking they are skilled attackers. They blame their failures on ridiculous excuses like ‘the defense is too strong and the game is so unbalanced’ or ‘other players who perform better than them are cheating’ etc. You want defense to be weaker so that even these ppl can 5-star most defenders only by tapping randomly on the screen?

Since they released all war legendary combine with access to new mythical artifacts the game will start to see Information age players having bomber damage in the 250 dps and 350 hp if not more now granted allot of these will be owned by top player multi account holders.

Eventually the majority of players from mid level up will be able to walk thru any base.

What folks like Staz and more trying to keep their game god time going as long as possible by ruining the game for now just at the top 50 alliances which was top 20 before that top 10. Starting to see the trend yet ? Longer this goes the more the entire player base will feel.

Not to mention it is not right to ruin anyone game play experience so folks that to say its only the top 1% or top 20 or top 50 alliance to justify them saying defense is fine seem to be self serving non skilled players that want the easy wins to continue real strikers want a challenge and right now there is no pride to be earned defense is helpless.

 

[stas]

Looks like you're playing a different game than everyone else. Or maybe you just want BHG to weaken D so much that even a farmer or a newbie could defeat any defender with a simple tap on the screen.
We have countless facts proving just how weak the defenses are now, while you can only muddy the waters with vague statements like ‘majority players struggle to 5star defenders’ or ‘99% wars are not time wars’.
Moreover, the fact that many players can’t 5-star defenders or can’t take down defenders in 2:30 is the game's normal status. If everyone—or even half the players—could defeat defenders easily, what would be the point of the game? To have time wars 24/7? To see which side gets luckier, with the forest defenders spawning in a more advantageous point?
You must understand that the vast majority of players have no idea how to play this game or what tactics to use, when to use and what troops to use. They aren’t even familiar with the weapons in their hands, let alone know how to attack. However, these players always delude themselves into thinking they are skilled attackers. They blame their failures on ridiculous excuses like ‘the defense is too strong and the game is so unbalanced’ or ‘other players who perform better than them are cheating’ etc. You want defense to be weaker so that even these ppl can 5-star most defenders only by tapping randomly on the screen?

What facts are you talking about?

These are FACTS:

724 wars today

14 (2%) are time wars

Out of 100 wars today, only 22 had a perfect score

P.S. I know some of these might be misleading, but the majority aren’t.

What YOU believe or think is not a FACT

'' You must understand that the vast majority of players have no idea how to play this game or what tactics to use, when to use and what troops to use. They aren’t even familiar with the weapons in their hands, let alone know how to attack. However, these players always delude themselves into thinking they are skilled attackers''

So you agree with me. If all these players are struggling NOW, what will happen if they make the game even harder???

I’ll tell you: they will quit the game, just like many already did over the past year when defense was overpowered

 

[Pokusay]

What facts are you talking about?

These are FACTS:

724 wars today

14 (2%) are time wars

Out of 100 wars today, only 22 had a perfect score

P.S. I know some of these might be misleading, but the majority aren’t.

What YOU believe or think is not a FACT

'' You must understand that the vast majority of players have no idea how to play this game or what tactics to use, when to use and what troops to use. They aren’t even familiar with the weapons in their hands, let alone know how to attack. However, these players always delude themselves into thinking they are skilled attackers''

So you agree with me. If all these players are struggling NOW, what will happen if they make the game even harder???

I’ll tell you: they will quit the game, just like many already did over the past year when defense was overpowered

Bro, don't talk about the 70% of players who don't want to spend hours in museums to make them strong. They don't want to change their troop composition and are still playing Heavy Tanks in 2025. That's their own problem. Don't tailor the game to the lazy. Just compare the results of wars between equal alliances: before these updates, the score was 98-96, so to speak. Now it's constantly 100-100. And defensive bases last about two minutes. What kind of balance are you trying to talk about here? Defenders don't stand a chance right now.

 

[stas]

Bro, don't talk about the 70% of players who don't want to spend hours in museums to make them strong. They don't want to change their troop composition and are still playing Heavy Tanks in 2025. That's their own problem. Don't tailor the game to the lazy. Just compare the results of wars between equal alliances: before these updates, the score was 98-96, so to speak. Now it's constantly 100-100. And defensive bases last about two minutes. What kind of balance are you trying to talk about here? Defenders don't stand a chance right now.

What I presented to you is not my opinion, belief, or something I “think'', it’s FACTS. Whether you like it or not, that’s not my problem.

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[Ezekiel]

So you agree with me. If all these players are struggling NOW, what will happen if they make the game even harder???

Those players I mentioned above are all deserve ‘struggling’. This game is not designed to let everyone can take out defenders effortlessly. Especially for those players who don’t know how to play at all and never learn with an open mind.
If BHG accommodates those players, it will only drive away more core players — those who are genuinely willing to spend.

 

[Deosbrae]

They don't want to change their troop composition and are still playing Heavy Tanks in 2025.

It’s not difficult to take down the best defender with heavy tanks now. Cuz now bomber attacks require absolutely no ground troops.
You can even clear the best defender by using all assault vehicles or armored cars or wall sappers etc.

 

[stas]

Those players I mentioned above are all deserve ‘struggling’. This game is not designed to let everyone can take out defenders effortlessly. Especially for those players who don’t know how to play at all and never learn with an open mind.
If BHG accommodates those players, it will only drive away more core players — those who are genuinely willing to spend.

I agree with you, but without those players, the game wouldn’t survive.
They saw how things went last year when defense was too strong.
Most alliances rely on a few top players to carry, while the majority are casual players who still struggle to 5-star offensive bases.
Your alliance doesn’t have to deal with that kind of struggle, so of course you don’t understand what it’s like watching players fail to 5-star none defensive base

 

[J6K]

the problem is not that defense is weak, its that bombers And Lego are way out of balance. that really seems to be the only issue. Ive spent money and put in my time into crafting just like the big guys in top alliance and will not use bombers or lego. that Said I don’t think any troop combo not using morter/siege or bombers will take out top 3D bases, doesn’t matter what you have under the hood in the museum. I dont think I suck at the game and could probably get a few stars off your big bases using fighters commando/zook. what needs to be clarified here in this thread is how to rightfully address the situation affecting the top alliances. Seems to me bomber and Lego get nerfed, the balance between offense and defense would be ok

 

[Seek]

I agree with you, but without those players, the game wouldn’t survive.
They saw how things went last year when defense was too strong.
Most alliances rely on a few top players to carry, while the majority are casual players who still struggle to 5-star offensive bases.
Your alliance doesn’t have to deal with that kind of struggle, so of course you don’t understand what it’s like watching players fail to 5-star none defensive base

This is typical unskilled player in a weak alliance making excuses for them to be able to use bombers to take down bases they should never be able too.

This only time you hear the 70% crap cause is from a weak striker that feels like god now and doesn’t want to lose that.

 

[Mahakaal]

Those are the only true facts. At least, those are the facts that are available to us. BHG always says that domistats does not represent the full picture, which means that there may be additional facts within BHG.

The pre-war impression that you don't stand a chance in time war cannot be a fact. To make it a fact, you would have to fight. Otherwise, you're just stating the fact that the defense lasted.

That's a different problem. It existed before the summer and even before the last rebalance.


Once again: this is only a top 10, maybe top 50 problem. The rest of the players don't have the highly developed museums or perfect strategies.
You want your base to hold? Then go traveling. Visit an ally below the top 100 and you'll be surprised how often your base holds.

You are too delusional , even cold war people having kettle drum and that prosthetic hand now and are taking upto info age 3d bases. i will agree defense generally is enough , for every startegy except mortars and bomber i will agree that defense is good enough.
but mortars with mongols and bomber are too overpowered for defense . there is no balance . everyone using mortars .
its not top 50 problem it is everyone's problem.
But i know how most of attackers are enjoying particularly who rush and just upgrade mortars smash bases that has took years to develop. one can have decent museum easily , u can easily get 100% adtd or aedtd .
Surveys are too easy to manipulate with majority being attackers.