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Can we please talk about Blackhawk Medics

Flasher

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Devs + hivemind,

Blackhawk medics are far too OP at end game. Way too much healing for any top-tier 3D to hold a star. I mean, not that I mind watching elite defenders get smoked in < 2m by dump ‘n ditch attack helicopters, but can we please tone it down a bit?

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although we talked about some of the injustice done to defence, I have no issue talking about it again if that means that BHG will do something about it!

Yes BHMs are shockingly overpowered. I have seen with my own eyes helis getting hammered by a missile silo and being near death and the next moment having full health again due to the BHMs at the back...
 

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BHG now has all the video reply proof they need. If they don’t do anything about this Black Hawk problem then they simple don’t care. The game in the higher levels is stupid and no longer resembles a challenging war game. Players are quitting daily over this. Defense is now boring and serves very little purpose anymore. I’ve lost faith in BHG.
 

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BHG now has all the video reply proof they need. If they don’t do anything about this Black Hawk problem then they simple don’t care. The game in the higher levels is stupid and no longer resembles a challenging war game. Players are quitting daily over this. Defense is now boring and serves very little purpose anymore. I’ve lost faith in BHG.

Sharing this with them today. Both you and oddins reply’s.

I agree. Game is boring
 

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If you have focused your museum on one force, you will run into problems every time. Earlier, complaints were made about the general, now about the Black Hawk, probably very soon about the mortar and maybe later about the archer. If there is a strong force, it means that it is equally strong for everyone. Unless you have arranged your team completely defensively and expect to weaken every strong force.
Of course, I agree that many players used the general or bombers combo(usefull yet), and this change of power and museum reconstruction is unpleasant for them, but try to always move with the changes. Even the heli being strong was pleasant for a short time, because many players had enough resources for Walls and buildings upgraded.
It is not professional to complain about a force for a player. All forces are the same for everyone.
 

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I dont get it. Constant whining because one troop is supposedly 'strong'. First HTs, now that are useless because they like to wander in and out of Bastions all day long and take the longest route possible to the so called nearest target. Then it was Helos, Nothing wrong with black hawks. They are not OP. They are in fact too limited in supply.

If you want to really whine have a look a bommbers. +300k damage. All you need are 4 of the useless SH planes they throw at you to clear out any CGIs & SAMS. a few sabo's with +30% duration in the rather poorly thought out council and you have effectively done any base.
 

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Can Blackhawks even be acquired regularly in large quantities? I have a few but I don't recall seeing regular sales of them. A powerful stronghold troop you can only get once in a while doesn't seem like a big game balance problem.
 

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I dont get it. Constant whining because one troop is supposedly 'strong'. First HTs, now that are useless because they like to wander in and out of Bastions all day long and take the longest route possible to the so called nearest target. Then it was Helos, Nothing wrong with black hawks. They are not OP. They are in fact too limited in supply.

The problem with HTs was always there, from the moment bastions were introduced to gameplay. We just chose to ignore it as we had no other worthy choice. What the unnerfed helicopters craziness did was to pinpoint this exact problem with HTs. People were unable to go back so we chose to buff through the museum Helicopters as much as we can.
But in order to to bring down 3D with Helicopter combo, you need some form of healing and it is there that BHMs excel!!
That's when most of us learned how OP this TT is!

And yes , there are regular sales for BHMs which you can buy 2 for 4€.
You are both mistaken concerning the quantity of BHMs in battles. My alliance seldom uses any, but in most of our wars, our opponents use 4 per war each (2 per battle).

If you haven't experienced yourselves how strong BHM is , then do not make assumptions. It is by far stronger than any EA or ike or any other OP TT they ever produced.
 

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Can honestly say I can count on one hand the amount of blackhawks I have seen. But same with any troop you can buy, they are usually the stronger ones. Real problem is the pay to win. They sell these troops then the fools with big wallets will just keep buying them, same with eisenhowers. nexon wont touch it really as it means those with endless wallets will stop spending.

My point really is they are not OP and I dont understand how someone can think they are when bombers fly around doing 300K+ damage. (Thats insane). I dont want to see another troop become useless like MRLs, Helos, Arts (although they are good at lower levels).
 

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The problem with HTs was always there, from the moment bastions were introduced to gameplay. We just chose to ignore it as we had no other worthy choice. What the unnerfed helicopters craziness did was to pinpoint this exact problem with HTs. People were unable to go back so we chose to buff through the museum Helicopters as much as we can.
But in order to to bring down 3D with Helicopter combo, you need some form of healing and it is there that BHMs excel!!
That's when most of us learned how OP this TT is!

And yes , there are regular sales for BHMs which you can buy 2 for 4€.
You are both mistaken concerning the quantity of BHMs in battles. My alliance seldom uses any, but in most of our wars, our opponents use 4 per war each (2 per battle).

If you haven't experienced yourselves how strong BHM is , then do not make assumptions. It is by far stronger than any EA or ike or any other OP TT they ever produced.
The solution is not to nerf one troop after the other, just to find out that there are other options. I have already three alternatives for the case that BHG has the (stupid and senseless) idea to nerf them.

The solution, and I said this multiple times, is to make a base defendable versus AH. But looks like the complains are only negative without constructive option for defense.
 

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we would gladly give a lot of info and even more ideas to make the game more balanced and fun but have you seen any official post on the previous thread we had about defence?
 

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we would gladly give a lot of info and even more ideas to make the game more balanced and fun but have you seen any official post on the previous thread we had about defence?
You know the answer. Nvm the best chance to get something is to talk about regularly. As many people are only talking about nerfs we will get the nets and a new meta following that, instead of a balanced solution.
 

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I am patiently waiting for the Drone Factory. Maybe that will bring balance to the force!
 

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BHG, what is with you guys? I personally have sent you 50 war attack video’s showing how OP those Black Hawks are combined with attack helicopters. I clearly gave you numerous examples yet you continue to ignor the facts. So what do you do? Today you’re selling more Black hawks. Are you that desporate? Don’t you realize you’re killing your own game? Defenders are holding on their last leg, yet you keep contributing to the game imbalance. Don’t you realize more players will quit the game?
You better wake up and fix this. You’re slowly losing your spenders. Keep it up and many of you will lose your jobs.
 
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