NTGs

[Quovatis]

It's very difficult to play enough to afford 3 level 6 coalitions every 2 days. In the next update, the embassy will get an upgrade, and it will get even worse. I don't understand why higher levels requires more NTGs. Isn't that the point of upgrading them in the first place?

Anyway, a little math here. To afford 3 level 6 coalitions every 2 days, you need to average 24 NTGs a day, or at minimum 12 5-star attacks if you hit the jackpot and get 2 NTGs every attack. Given that you will not get 2 NTGs every attack, it's more like 20 attacks to get the 24 you need. Not just any attack, but FIVE STAR attacks. That's asking a lot for even a serious player. With level 7 coalitions, it's going to take 24+ 5-star attacks a day. No way.

I've been focusing on upgrading my coalitions in the last few weeks. I could easily afford level 3 and 4 coalitions every war, but level 6 is very hard, and level 7 will be a full time job. Either increase the drop rate or lower the required NTGs needed. You seriously can't expect players to play 4 hours a day just to play in competitive wars. It's ridiculous. Another option is to let us choose what level of coalitions we want to purchase, instead of requiring us to buy the top level researched. The embassy and the Dock are the only two buildings where upgrading it can actually hurt you.

 

[SebQuattro]

You're assuming you can only have 3 coalitions with the next upgrade, it could easily be 4...

If people ever get their way and more nations get added, that's more NTGs and Coalitions too

 

[Quovatis]

You're assuming you can only have 3 coalitions with the next upgrade, it could easily be 4...

If people ever get their way and more nations get added, that's more NTGs and Coalitions too

You're right. I hadn't considered the possibility of 4 coalitions. Crazy. That would mean well over 35 5-star attacks per day required. Do the BHG developers even play the game? And not just casually, but as an Atomic age player? There is a big difference in the game experience as a Gunpowder age player vs Atomic age.

 

[Ludog]

That's if you even get the NTG from a 5* victory. There isn't a guarantee that you will get it at all. I agree with you and also wonder why the NTG isn't a guarantee when you get the 5*. Maybe make the NTG easier to get and leave the price alone. Like you get 2 NTG's for a 5* and 1 for a 4* guaranteed. I don't know the answer but the suggestions from Quovatis also sound good to me.

 

[SebQuattro]

That would mean well over 35 5-star attacks per day required. Do the BHG developers even play the game? And not just casually, but as an Atomic age player? There is a big difference in the game experience as a Gunpowder age player vs Atomic age.

The issue I believe isn't so much age, but medal range. Most on here seem pretty sure battle duration effects the probability of gaining NTGs, in which case those high medal Atomics are totally shafted.

All I know is I went high in medals @ global age and despite lots an lots of 5* battles I didn't manage to restock NTGs. After dropping medals it took a day to restock them.

 

[Quovatis]

I don't care what medal range you're in, 30 attacks takes a long time. Even in copper league, it's hard to make that many attacks in a day. But yeah, 30 attacks in high medals is almost impossible since you need tactics and mercs constantly.

 

[LordAnubis]

That's if you even get the NTG from a 5* victory. There isn't a guarantee that you will get it at all. I agree with you and also wonder why the NTG isn't a guarantee when you get the 5*. Maybe make the NTG easier to get and leave the price alone. Like you get 2 NTG's for a 5* and 1 for a 4* guaranteed. I don't know the answer but the suggestions from Quovatis also sound good to me.

your suggestion is the best. 2 at 5 star 1 at 4 guaranteed. even at my age, IA, its a major pain to get ntgs every two days

 

[JMoney]

I feel like this could be solved through some sort of atomic level library research that increases the drop rates, or increases the NTGs gained to, like, 3 or 4 if you get lucky. There is also the united nations wonder, but I wouldn't consider its daily bonus as anything other than a paltry sum of what you need to grind for to remain relevant in a war.

The library is in due for an upgrade, too.

 

[LordJestix]

I havent been able to war recently because ive not been able to play enough to earn my ntg i just upgraded.

Id say Guarantee 1 NTG for a 5* with a 50% chance to get 2 and have a 75% chance with a 4* and a 30% chance with a 3*

 

[SebQuattro]

75% chance with a 4* and a 30% chance with a 3*

Not the best suggestion in the world, for me that's actually lowing the NTG drop rate. I can easily get NTGs on 3* victories and I can almost always get 1 NTG on 4* victories.

 

[LordJestix]

Not the best suggestion in the world, for me that's actually lowing the NTG drop rate. I can easily get NTGs on 3* victories and I can almost always get 1 NTG on 4* victories.

Hmm, i thought you had to have a 5* for a chance at them. I have a lot of 5* victories that i dont get them, which is part of the reason i thought that.

 

[LordJestix]

Guys, i almost think this is supposed to be a p2w feature that is semi-easy for f2p to obtain. They want us to buy NTG shipments with crowns so there is no way in hell they are going to make it much easier for us. So if we dont want to play with our credit card, we must grind all of the ntg.

 

[Ludog]

I hear you, the price for NTG's is ridiculous. I saw someone post somewhere that you should be able to get your own NTG every 8 hours or so. If you do not claim it then it is up for grabs if someone gets your TC. This is also a good idea.

 

[SebQuattro]

Hmm, i thought you had to have a 5* for a chance at them. I have a lot of 5* victories that i dont get them, which is part of the reason i thought that.

There's a chance of getting a single NTG on 3* or higher victories, there's a chance of getting a second NTG on 5* victories.

 

[Motaz Tarek]

it hurts more when u need silk or scrolls, litterly i can spend a week without getting 10 of these, no japanese no greeks and when it comes to wood (british) it's not being used in the most important coals
that's a crap balance of NTGs besides the problems u mentioned
am expecting an upgrade (either university or library) to reduce NTG cost of coalitions soon, i really started to feel the pain when i got some of them to lvl 6 and i completely stopped hiring them in easy wars because of the cost

the best solutions would be a reduction in cost + a rotation of nations trade goods just as the rotation of the type of goods it cost for each coal to overcome the rarity of some nations

 

[dannemare]

You're right. I hadn't considered the possibility of 4 coalitions. Crazy. That would mean well over 35 5-star attacks per day required. Do the BHG developers even play the game? And not just casually, but as an Atomic age player? There is a big difference in the game experience as a Gunpowder age player vs Atomic age.

The devs definitely only play this game casually themselves. No question about that. If they actually played their own game like the most dedicated and skilled of us do, they would know the game much better and be able to balance things much better and identify bugs much, much quicker than the case is. Just take the recent glory fudge up. Initially, Nexon / BHG had no clue there was an issue. Their stance was that nothing had changed. They simply were not aware (like in so many other cases before this one).

It would be really fun if the devs, tech support, etc created an alliance of their own to compete with all of us. They could just insta-create 40 bases at random level between lvl 200 and 250 or whatever. Would be a fun way to engage their customers I think, and it will help them understand their own game much better. Plus, it'll be fun to steamroll them.

 

[Tsamu]

I would like to see library or university tech that reduces the NTG requirements for coalitions. Maybe the next great leader could be Henry Kissinger. I can't think of many skills though. The capstone would be "reduce NTG requirement by 1 of each needed for a coalition". The skills could be the chances missing from the other leaders. Marble, porcelain and scrolls chance can already be researched, so salt, silk, timber, cheese and tea could be of Kissinger's skills. Great leaders have 10 skills, so any suggestions for the other 5?

 

[Kaiser Shag]

For the moment I stopped upgrading my coalitions to level 6, it requires too much ntg's. I even skipped 1 or 2 wars sometimes just to farm enough ntg for the coalitions, it gets really expensive :/

 

[S_How]

Totally agree with the OP. The coalition changes they made 3-4 months ago were good from a 'strength of coalition' perspective, but they made full coalitions a necessity for most late age competitive wars. In our alliance at least, this has caused people to check out and participate much less in wars if they cant at least bring two strong coalitions to war. It also causes burnout. If they make it more demanding from a NTG perspective, it would be incredibly disappointing. They already force people away from the best feature of this game (war) in their current state.

 

[S_How]

You really hit the spot on this one. I think this single fact is one of the biggest contributors to the communication problems we see today. CMs for sure, and most likely many/most leaders @ BHG just dont play the game at a late age or competitive level. It causes a huge gap in being able to understand and communicate issues, or understand solutions the community may present, or be able to prioritize issues within the community brings up.