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Recon, the primary cause of Imbalance

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Recon has been the number one killer of game balance between offense and defense. Example: We are facing an alliance which has numerous players with Attack Helicopte damage 130, Barracks damage 35, Recon near 300 damage plus what ever additional attack Helicopter damage they have in Council. Now do the math and you can see total Helicopter damage is ridiculously high. Then, you have Recon lasting for a whopping 20 seconds. No defense, even with some boosting, can survive.
Now, just suppose you boost some defense, afterwards you roll out that those new museum numbers pumping up offense further. That museum change could very well wipe out any defense boost you do before hand. We don’t know yet. What we do know is that Recon is what makes the huge difference. It must be greatly nerfed. Plus that 20 sec duration time should be cut in half to 10 seconds. Recon should be an additional attack tool, not a game killer.
So please consider an aggressive nerf on the Recon Among the higher ages, Drone age specifically. If you don’t we will be back to the same offense-defense imbalance as we are now.
 
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Recon has been the number one killer of game balance between offense and defense. Example: We are facing an alliance which has numerous players with Attack Helicopte damage 130, Barracks damage 35, Recon near 300 damage plus what ever additional attack Helicopter damage they have in Council. Now do the math and you can see total Helicopter damage is ridiculously high. Then, you have Recon lasting for a whopping 20 seconds. No defense, even with some boosting, can survive.
Now, just suppose you boost some defense, afterwards you roll out that those new museum numbers pumping up offense further. That museum change could very well wipe out any defense boost you do before hand. We don’t know yet. What we do know is that Recon is what makes the huge difference. It must be greatly nerfed. Plus that 20 sec duration time should be cut in half to 10 seconds. Recon should be an additional attack tool, not a game killer.
So please consider an aggressive nerf on the Recon. If you don’t we will be back to the same offense-defense imbalance as we are now.
and yet the majority, a huge majority, of us dont have helo damage at 130, barracks at 35 etc.
I need the recon because I have little chance to 5 star a drone base. (Unless its a rushed one).
HTs just spend forever back and forth in bastions.
Helos are now under powered (without recon) and slower than my granny.

Stop nerfing stuff and making it borrrring. Its dominations not defendanations.
When anyone talks about balance they always talk about ways to stop their own base getting hammered.
Nerf bombers if you want to nerf something. or make the other useless troops better!!
 

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Just as we are started to have a senseful discussion, a defender from top 20 is jumping in an asking for a single troop nerf again. Well, that way we will never get a common sense on how to move forward. It’s stupid, based on single interests, and always it’s coming from members of the same alliance.

BHG: don’t take away power, give more power, and especially only make changes to drone age in the future. Going back to laugh about people doing the same mistake again and again. It’s legendary.
 

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and yet the majority, a huge majority, of us dont have helo damage at 130, barracks at 35 etc.
I need the recon because I have little chance to 5 star a drone base. (Unless its a rushed one).
HTs just spend forever back and forth in bastions.
Helos are now under powered (without recon) and slower than my granny.

Stop nerfing stuff and making it borrrring. Its dominations not defendanations.
When anyone talks about balance they always talk about ways to stop their own base getting hammered.
Nerf bombers if you want to nerf something. or make the other useless troops better!!
Being able to level bases without trying hard is boring. I have 0 in my museum for ah and i can still clear drone age bases. Yes, it's because i use recon and sab too. Yes, offense is overpowering defense. Yes, you want some semblance of balance between offense and defense in wars if you want the game to last.
 

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It’s funny that always the same people, out of one bubble, are asking for single nerfs instead of discussing a all over scenario. That’s the main reason why nothing is improving.
 

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How is flattening a 380 offensive drone age offensive base with dock tts in 55 seconds fun? Not even using 1/3rd the alloted attack time. Is this what bhg intended because that's the landscape of the game if you know what you are doing. And for the record I can do that with around 90 heli damage and no recon.
 

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How funny is to see people with 0 knowledge on this game are happy when they press 2 button's on screen and wait fight is over and finally they can clear some bases.
Bravo for them, they must be proud on their skill and knowledge.
I am starting to be happy for them and change my free time to tetris game where is more drama than in dominations.
Please BHG, don't change nothing, kids will be very unhappy with any change.
 

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How is flattening a 380 offensive drone age offensive base with dock tts in 55 seconds fun? Not even using 1/3rd the alloted attack time. Is this what bhg intended because that's the landscape of the game if you know what you are doing. And for the record I can do that with around 90 heli damage and no recon.

I have written multiple times, that this situation is annoying and the game need changes. But also I will write again and again that the solution wont be to nerf single troops. That’s it, but some people, always the same are trying to push this way instead of working together on a balanced concept.
 

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I have written multiple times, that this situation is annoying and the game need changes. But also I will write again and again that the solution wont be to nerf single troops. That’s it, but some people, always the same are trying to push this way instead of working together on a balanced concept.
 

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I think starting with recon is a step in the right direction, if you buff all d buildings across the board 75% to counter recon it'll force everyone to use 2 recon per attack to counter it. I'd say a 30-40% buff to d buildings to counter over powered heli para and mortar troops would help and switching Sab 2 spaces. Also remove spawn cap.
 

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I think starting with recon is a step in the right direction, if you buff all d buildings across the board 75% to counter recon it'll force everyone to use 2 recon per attack to counter it. I'd say a 30-40% buff to d buildings to counter over powered heli para and mortar troops would help and switching Sab 2 spaces. Also remove spawn cap.
This are parts of the big picture. The games world is different below drone age. Recon isn’t that strong there, but the incredible 30% boost with drone age made it massively op, even versus Drone defense. Its the same with transport hp, 30% plus versus less plus for SAM and GCI. This is a conceptual error imho. Attack helis damage, more it’s boost from museum and council, is an issue. My comparison was, attacking one base on 3D same war with two accounts: Para/heli and HT/fighter. A difference in time by around 100% is much to much, and the HT had more as 90% damage boost as well.

I written a few times that Sniper towers would be a good defense against Para and Helis, if there are more then four on the map and with more damage and speed. With six of them you can defend the whole map, ok needs new base designs.

Bit don’t forget lower ages. Even with Recon space age helis are not op. And don’t forget the players with normal museums, not crazy people like us with 100plus heli damage.

A research at drone age library with a reasonable boost for defense, probably only for war, is a possible solution. It also covers the situation that only top 100/200 teams are really annoyed.

ofc, the complete solution should have some more things as i wrote here.
 

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How funny is to see people with 0 knowledge on this game are happy when they press 2 button's on screen and wait fight is over and finally they can clear some bases.
Bravo for them, they must be proud on their skill and knowledge.
I am starting to be happy for them and change my free time to tetris game where is more drama than in dominations.
Please BHG, don't change nothing, kids will be very unhappy with any change.
You really and truly done have a clue what you're talking about, kid.
 

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and yet the majority, a huge majority, of us dont have helo damage at 130, barracks at 35 etc.
I need the recon because I have little chance to 5 star a drone base. (Unless its a rushed one).
At least you come right out and say it... "How am I supposed to feel like a badass if you take away the crutch that covers up my inadequacy?"

Maybe, just maybe, someone who has spends the time, effort and money (yes that too) shouldn't be 5 starred...

Maybe, just maybe, if you put in the same amount of time, effort and money (yes that too) then you can close a bit if that competitive gap?

As it stands the difference between going 3D with a maxed museum vs just a spread base and going offense is 15-30 secs if you're lucky. Maybe, just maybe, facing 5 defenders in war means you should expect to leave some stars on the table at the end of the war...

Maybe you're on to something though. When I play basketball at my son's elementary school 7ft hoop I can dunk. I can't on a regulation hoop. All hoops should have to conform to the 7ft rule. If any top 20 whiners like Le Bron want to complain about the lack of skill and it ruining competitiveness we should dismiss that because he doesn't know what its like to not be able to dunk on a bunch of 8 yo's at an elementary school. Spend time and effort to get better? Forget that, 7ft rims for all so I can feel the same sense of pride and accomplishment as the badass I replied to...
 

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Bases are falling in quick time because of the number of TT’s used, I.e.
1. Heli attackers using 2 or 3 recons and 2 Blackhawks to take strong 3D bases in quick time.
2. Offensive bases falling in less than a minute with 4 bomber tt’s.

Possible Solution: Limit the number of TT’s to only 1 of the same kind, which means heli attackers can only use 1 Blackhawk and 1 recon. Bomber attackers can only use 1 bomber tt and so on. This will definitely help with time wars and 3D bases might have a better chance of defending.
 

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I like that idea about limiting tt’s to only one of a kind. But, Recon still needs nerfing.
 

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Being able to level bases without trying hard is boring. I have 0 in my museum for ah and i can still clear drone age bases. Yes, it's because i use recon and sab too. Yes, offense is overpowering defense. Yes, you want some semblance of balance between offense and defense in wars if you want the game to last.
Yes, it is possible, but you can hit a base without defense museum.
 

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Anyone who claims that the defense is weak, should leave the top hundred and teach the hundreds of alliances that have trouble starting the opponent, how to get 5 stars quickly.
The fact is that some people become delusional when they lose a war.
For the 100th time; deffence is not weak at all. Rather, the offence in top alliances is strong because of the hand-picked and customized museums and the power of Blackhawk with AH.
If the defense is so weak, why don't you beat your opponents consistently and enjoy it?
 
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