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DOMINATIONS loses reason for being. BHG/Nexon takes stupidity to the next level.

zaphod

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The title of this topic is quite bold and may be considered offensive by people at BHG/Nexon. But unfortunately it is the truth. Though most avid players of Dominations, and readers of this post, know it is correct let me explain why. Just in the unlikely case somebody at BHG or Nexon might read this. Now bear with me, this will by no means be rocket science.

In order to understand why Dominations lost it's reason for being you first need to define the concept of the game. And it's surprisingly simple.

The concept of the game is to build up a base in order to be able to withstand attacks from other players. You do this by acquiring resources from battle with other players which you spend on upgrading defensive structures and research new technologies. The secondary objective is to gain as many medals possible through battle in order to get a higher ranking.

As I said: surprisingly simple. So why did Dominations lose its reason for being? Again, very simple. Because BHG/Nexon has proven to be unable, or unwilling, to deal with cheaters it doesn't matter how many resources, or money, you pour into your base the moment you log off somebody will come along, drop a few destruction tactics and you lose maximum resources and medals. So the need to to build up a base in order to be able to withstand attacks from other players no longer exists.

As for the secondary objective: once you get the point where medals start to become important you are no longer able to gain enough medals to cope with the amount of medals lost to cheaters. A succesful attack may net you one or two medals, or once in a blue moon maybe five if you are lucky. To illustrate this: yesterday I gained 5 medals in succesful attacks, but lost 42 to cheaters. And this is by no means an exception.

Why continue playing? One reason might be to see your base become maxed out, and maybe because of the status which may come with it. But on the other hand: every second base I come across is a maxed-out cheater base. So in the unlikely case that I might ever get to the point where my base is close to being maxed-out people will not look at it in awe but consider me just another cheater.

So why does BHG/Nexon take stupidity to the next level? That is even simpler: if there's no more reason for people to play this game BHG/Nexon will no longer make any money from it. A lot of money has been spent on designing this, potentialy fantastic, game. But BHG/Nexon is unwilling to spend just a little more to make it work. This is very shortsighted because even though they may be able to get away with it in the short term, eventually it means destruction of capital.

What can be done? Well luckily I'm not in charge because in that case some heads would roll. But I do have some suggestions:
  • The moment a new cheat/exploit is discovered: work overtime to fix it.
  • You absolutely need to work on your communication. Take the community and complaints seriously. Besides, they know more about this game than everybody in charge at BHG/Nexon put together.
  • Delete all cheater bases.
  • Fix the force quit exploit. You cannot alienate the majority of players in order to protect a few. You can allways compensate those.
As for me. As an alliance leader, and having played this game for almost a year now, I cannot just walk away from it yet. I will continue logging in once or twice a day and collect my resources and spend them on anything I can afford. But saving up for something expensive is no longer an option. Neither is spending money again on crowns or competing for medals. And then, if nothing changes, in a few weeks time I will abdicate and find a new game to play.

It's a petty.
 
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Ralitach

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Well i can't say that i encountered any cheaters in my game time maybe coz i'm lvl 20, but as i surf through forums i can see alot of people are complaining about the cheaters in game, can't say much about the developers but i think they are aware of the cheaters ingame but maybe incompetant to deal with the, u said it some heads should roll in their HQ
 

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Make the most of the early stages of the game Ralitach, because at that point the game isn't frustrating and lots of fun. Try to fight the temptation to age up too fast.
 

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There is 2 things that I agreed with you. First the is title little bit offensive. Second this game already lost its real purpose as base build defense game. Force quit and there is no replay in WW cause it.
 

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Make the most of the early stages of the game Ralitach, because at that point the game isn't frustrating and lots of fun. Try to fight the temptation to age up too fast.

Yea i figured that, also i found out that medals in early stages are not that important ( i reached 400 for copper reward) and in pvp i just raid for resources and get 2 medals, either way i cant do much in pvp coz their engine for opponent searching is bad i always end up fighting up to 90 lvl players
 

zaphod

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I don't mind the game being offensive and I don't mind losing medals or resources when a player succesfully attacks me. I appreciate it, learn from it, and tinker around with my base so it won't happen again. That's the whole purpose of the game. The thing is that there is no way to defend against cheaters so upgrading no longer makes sense. And that, because of all the cheating, you are no longer able to move forward. What happens is this: I log on, collect resources, fight a battle or two (depending on how long my army lasts), make maybe half a million in resources and a few medals, log off, lose those resources again (depending on how mich I have in store), and lose 10+ medals. No fun in that.
 

Ralitach

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Yes thats exactly whats happening to me, but coz im low lvl i need around 20 min for full army count (35 troops) and i can raid around 4-5 ppl ( 2-3 medals each) and wait for 40 lvl player destroyse, but thing that i use is i use all of my 24 hrs peace te for building defense buildings and when i raid i focus to raid ress i need for higher lvl buildings so i spend all i raided and loose nothing compared to what i raided, well all this is fro POV of 20 lvl player so i can only imagine what horrors are on higher lvls
 

zaphod

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Exactly Ralitach, unfortunately that is not an option if your cheapest relevant upgrade costs 5 million+ gold or food or 120.000 oil.
 

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@zaphod: I understand your pain, the game mechanics and design got so much potential and is spoiled in the technical implementation. Just find a way for you to enjoy the fun parts of the game and don't put too much ambition into it, because at the moment it's really not worth it.

I wouldn't throw in the towel just yet. I gives me the creeps to imagine that one day the technical implementation of the game is fixed but no one is left to compete with anymore ;-)
 

polo1967

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I totally agree with this statement. I learned early on if you do not have the kind of money to upgrade and max out everything quickly, its best to just take your time and enjoy the growing process. I was in gunpowder age until I got to lvl 100 and once I reached Enlightenment age all hell broke loose. I didnt mind losing to Industrial age players because I was fair game but the ones who took it to another lvl with the blatant cheating really pissed me off. At that point I was done buying crowns.
 

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There's nothing been said here that hasn't been experienced by thousands of others and we all share your frustrations zaphod. I'm also one of those players who logs on, collects rss, spends about 20 mins playing and logs off - but only because that's how I've been playing since day 1 (for 9 mths). With this combination of casual play and occassional spending early on (especially when they have bonus crown sales!) I've managed to get 2 nations to IA and one just reached EA.

I'm saying all this not to brag but to say this: I disagree with the idea that defense is futile. I constantly tinker and learn from attacks - as zaphod said - and I can honestly say that, while I might lose rss overnight, I can easily make up more rss in a few sessions than I lose - on 'average'. The same goes for medals - I earn more medals on defense than I lose - and that's only because I'm committed to having a strong, defensive base. Trust me folks, it really does matter having a well thought out base.

I accept that I will lose rss - it's part of the game. I accept that I, too, might only make half a million a night. So what if it takes me 4-5 days to get enough rss for an upgrade or two? So what if I get attacked during the night? With upgrades taking a week or more sometimes I'll go 2 or 3 days without logging on and come back to about 20 attacks - but then I also come back to plenty of medals gained and free crowns! Sometimes I don't even get attacked for a day or two - and I never bother with peace treaties (except the ones I get from losing my TC) - it all just evens out. The point I want to make - just to offer a different POV from my experience - is that defense matters. (newbies, don't worry about defense 'til you get to GP)

But this in no way excuses Nexon for the frustrating issues correctly pointed out by zaphod and countless others.
 

zaphod

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@ravenlord: from your comments I get that you have not really been affected by this problem, maybe it depends on the level you're playing at but above 2000 medals this is a serious issue and defense is futile. For the simple reason that the cheat is allways succesful. I watch the replays and in almost all cases my defense is succesful but I still loose. Nine out of the last ten attacks against me were cheater attacks. Ergo defense is futile.

Saving up for stuff is also futile. Let me give you two examples.

Suppose you're saving to upgrade your castle or factory. Once you have reached 100.000 oil a five star attack against you would cost you about 6000 oil. If you are extremely lucky you may find an opponent who has this amount of oil for the taking. But they are hard to come across. Next you have to be able get to the oil and come away with most of your army unscathed. Above 2000 medals that is close to impossible. After that you need to rebuild your army. Now if you don't want to wait for that to be finished and constantly touch your device (no pun intended), you will be attacked and again lose 6000 oil.

If you play for medals things get even worse. A succesful attack nets you one or two medals at most. As I've told in my op I lost 42 medals in three attacks. To make up for this I would need 20+ succesful attacks while at the same time nobody has to attack me. Which is very unlikely because the moment I log off I do get attacked.

I have now decided not to be bothered again with medals. After losing about 400 medals in one sitting while only harvesting cheater bases with raiders I stopped around the 1800 medal mark. When I logged on again this morning I found that I was attacked again by a cheater. I wonder how far I have to go down to stop being bothered by these pests but will continue to 200 if needed. Still it's very annoying if you take into consideration how long it takes to acquire medals, but I guess that if I stop playing it won't matter anymore anyway.
 

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A very good description from zaphod. Same problem here. Log off=instant attack. Sometimes the log shows no attack but the traps has been activated, costing over 100k to reset and resources lost.
 

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I hate to break it down to my loyal co-players alike but I will tell you some VERY VERY NASTY rumors. On the Facebook group Domination affiliated once said, "In order for you to legitimately avoid being perma ban, you have to BUY STARTER PACKS." I know disclosing this information may incite more cheating activity but I think we ALL have to know this fact.

This why Nexon NEVER solved this problem because they legitimizing there cheating. And those player achieve MAX WALLS..80%-100% of them were Cheaters!

It's kinda lamentable that they protecting this Cashers from bans but Nexon your taking this path in the wrong way! Loyal players like me, who devoted for over a year and 3 months now were leaning towards other games. Don't take this road Nexon, there are many ways to profit from but this...your making this company into the abyss.

Please. Just...think about it. We love this game as much as you do.
 

leoelephant

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Really!!!!!!
But why can not they ban cheater if he put some money? I do not think any software user agreement mention it. I know wow ban many many cheaters, these cheaters also paid for playing hours. So there is no law says banning paid user is prohibit, is not it???
 

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My biggest disappointment in the game is the complete lack of communication from the developers. Cheating and bugs can be fixed, but when the devs never give you any communication or evidence that they think these are high priority things to fix for the community, players start to leave.
 

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I have to agree with mostly everything here. But it's the same old thing that's been said since April 2015. Unfortunately, the one thing I'd have to disagree with is the last part. The stupidity is us, Mack. Nexon has given us a sh!t product that did exactly what it was supposed to do: Hook us early on.

That is what most "free to play but pay to play" games do. The ones that don't focus completely on this garner a faithful and dedicated fan base, allowing to expand and reach deeper markets. Dominations has taken another route. I've been at this long enough to know that early on, customer service was non existent. Which non existent customer service that EARLY in a game such as this should've been a red flag. Them not wanting to do anything about cheaters early on was another one. Many players, such as myself, paid $$$ for crowns and resources, while there was an exploit so obvious in the game a 6 year old could use it. INSTEAD of looking into this or at least understanding our frustration, members were banned for trying to call this exploit out to the moderators. That was another issue. In a game where customer service doesn't respond and the Facebook page runs like a BillBoard( announcing new items, troops and features but NOT addressing issues) this and a few other message boards were the only way players could rant, vent, or whatever to anyone and everyone who would listen. Pretty soon, that was challenged. You couldn't mention "refund" or "exploit". Moderators went from being invisible to running the board like Arstotzka.

Why we are still even talking about Nexon doing nothing about cheaters at this point amazes me. They don't care about you...they don't care how many cheaters they have. They only care about finding the most lucrative market they can dive into so they can produce the next game, that will hopefully succeed where Dominations failed. These people don't play these games. They only run numbers. They aren't stupid...we are for still expecting them to give a cr@p.😋
 
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