I am in gunpowder age and i am in a hurry for industrial so i dont level most of the buildings but i faced now several upgrades that require 3 million ressource which is hard to gather at once and i need to build some defence for my markets, so originaly i prefer forbidden city since once i upgrade my units at Industrial i am going for medals but currently it seems colosseum will give me beter protection so i dont know, i cant buy crowns to change wonders and i already have one stonehange that i need to change with crowns so what to choose i wonder ?
Forbidden city or colosseum
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For GP and before you get to top medals ranks, Colosseum is more useful. Notre dam is also good, may be even better.
It looks like FC is the best for the end game unless they do rebelance when 5-starring will be the main strategy. Now, it's the best vs sniping
It looks like FC is the best for the end game unless they do rebelance when 5-starring will be the main strategy. Now, it's the best vs sniping
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Colliseum gives you a very powerful attack boost once per day. If you dont care so much about defense go Colliseum
Notre dam is ok for low active players. I recomend this for players who play 1ish hrs a day or less. Because it doesnt help with walls and upgrades are easy to save for if u play a solid amount each day. Ur food will be maxed out all the time and gold for upgrades doesnt get used very often(12 days to upgrade redoubts in industrial my resources seldom get used on upgrades)
Fc best for protecting medals. Not that important yet but no doubt best for rank climbing if ur into that. Mostly useless imo until medals start to mean more. Or if u want to have 150k gold league bonus but have trouble geting the medals for that.
coloseum is the most entertaining. Defense replays more entertaining when ur defense stronger spitting out extra troops. That equates to saved gold during raids. It also can equate to saved medals. Coloseum also more interactive and entertaining once a day on offense. Which equates to more gold earned and possibly more medals earned.
Until ive had a chance to test fc vs coloseum maxed defense i cant say which is best for defense. Fc forces opponent to engage more of ur defense if their sniping. Coloseum defends better against 5 star attackers. Most people are not capable of 5 starring u even without coloseum. So in that case whether they start out intending to snipe. Or go for the snipe when they see their going to lose and rally on tc. Then fc will ruin their victory or allow only 50% destroyed.
For me defenending purely medals isnt that important yet so coloseum gives me the extra little bit of gold protection and gold earning on offense. Win win
Fc best for protecting medals. Not that important yet but no doubt best for rank climbing if ur into that. Mostly useless imo until medals start to mean more. Or if u want to have 150k gold league bonus but have trouble geting the medals for that.
coloseum is the most entertaining. Defense replays more entertaining when ur defense stronger spitting out extra troops. That equates to saved gold during raids. It also can equate to saved medals. Coloseum also more interactive and entertaining once a day on offense. Which equates to more gold earned and possibly more medals earned.
Until ive had a chance to test fc vs coloseum maxed defense i cant say which is best for defense. Fc forces opponent to engage more of ur defense if their sniping. Coloseum defends better against 5 star attackers. Most people are not capable of 5 starring u even without coloseum. So in that case whether they start out intending to snipe. Or go for the snipe when they see their going to lose and rally on tc. Then fc will ruin their victory or allow only 50% destroyed.
For me defenending purely medals isnt that important yet so coloseum gives me the extra little bit of gold protection and gold earning on offense. Win win
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90% of your upgrades on the military side of things require food, nobody steals that, and you can't really defend your markets anyway, so just keep your gold low and carry on - most wonders are just a waste of space, which sooner or later you have to pay 4m+ to chop some forest down.
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Notre Dame discounts the Library wall chapter by 10% and coughs up 20k a day or 600k a month so a couple of walls/bricks/bags of cement for the wall depending where you are.
Can't you spreadsheet the TCO for each wonder? Worker days lost building the things, space taken that compromises your base defence layout, forest you eventually have to cut down to make way for them, etc. Shouldn't take too long
Can't you spreadsheet the TCO for each wonder? Worker days lost building the things, space taken that compromises your base defence layout, forest you eventually have to cut down to make way for them, etc. Shouldn't take too long
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Well, notre dam gives you one nice perk on age switch, when unit upgrades become cheaper so you don't have to upgrade another mill. That's probably why I haven't switch it so far. Also, unit upgrades become so long that until you finish them, new age is ready ))) semi-defended FC makes snipers spend a lot of more army and time/rallies, so they have less for resources. From this perspective, I'd say it saves resources more than colosseum.
However, Vs 5-star army FC may even weaken your base. It's definitely useless for those who go with exposed TC.
However, Vs 5-star army FC may even weaken your base. It's definitely useless for those who go with exposed TC.
@ eddie " Notre Dame discounts the Library wall chapter by 10% and coughs up 20k a day or 600k a month so a couple of walls/bricks/bags of cement for the wall depending where you are.
Can't you spreadsheet the TCO for each wonder? Worker days lost building the things, space taken that compromises your base defence layout, forest you eventually have to cut down to make way for them, etc. Shouldn't take too long "
Max walls cost 3.5 billion gold. Max building upgrades like 500 million ish. About 40% of that 500 million is gold. The other is oil and food so of no concern as far as im concerned. Thats 200 million gold for buildings vs 3.5 bill gold walls. 10% refund is 20million gold saved. About 4 hrs of grinding for decent gold farmers. 600k per month bonus from notre dam is 7.2 million in the year. So 1.5hrs of gold farming for the entire year. Notre dam is insignificant to serious gold farmers. Compared to the increased gold gained and protected from coloseum they both probably come out even. Just becomes a question of how much u grind whether notre dam comes out on top or not. Coloseum has more of a cool factor. Fc is better for defense in the sniper meta. It might even be better vs 5 star armies if ur defense is strong enough. Currently my underdeveloped defense kills kitchen sink maxed out armies about halfway through the defenses. If i had an fc and was able to kill the army halfway through my base i might prevent quick victory and even possible tc kill. Although 50% is mostly guaranteed no matter what u do. So in that sense fc might be best from every angle. Anti sniper, anti 5 star, protecting gold(by forcing most raiders spent on tc/fc. Im able to take the gold trade goods from every base in the game and get victory for league rewards. But watching defense replays i think most people arent able too so in that sense fc would be best for gold protection
As for wonders vs clear forest and lost worker time. Offense is #1 priority. And by offense i mean anything that factors into ur gold/hr. That means mercenary camp, alliance gate, temple, library, war academy, trade good, gold, food storage.
But after that wonders are next in line for importance of building if u know which one to build. For industrial age i dont know which one is best so im holding off.
Forests need cleared for defensive purposes. And for future ages. The wonders need to be built no matter what because their very powerful. So worker time and forest clearing isnt a factor.
It just comes down to which one to build. Im very confident the wonders ive built are the best choice for what im looking for.
Every building in the game has a very long return on investment. Redoubt lvl 3 is 12 days to upgrade, 7 mil gold, 15% increase in dps. How much gold does that redoubt save me per defense? How long does it take for that saved gold to pay back 7mil and 4 workers down for 12 days. What about the increased losses for 12 days for it being non functional.
Wonders use food to upgrade so a worthless reasource. Not a loss in my book and does not need to be returned on investment. Once u build a wonder it automatically improves each age without further investment or taking it off line. Acropolis improves my ever more powerful defenders. Coloseum is 2x garrisons and automatically upgrades each age. No workers or resources needed. Wonders are the most valuable buildings in the game theres no question about building or clearing space for them
Can't you spreadsheet the TCO for each wonder? Worker days lost building the things, space taken that compromises your base defence layout, forest you eventually have to cut down to make way for them, etc. Shouldn't take too long "
Max walls cost 3.5 billion gold. Max building upgrades like 500 million ish. About 40% of that 500 million is gold. The other is oil and food so of no concern as far as im concerned. Thats 200 million gold for buildings vs 3.5 bill gold walls. 10% refund is 20million gold saved. About 4 hrs of grinding for decent gold farmers. 600k per month bonus from notre dam is 7.2 million in the year. So 1.5hrs of gold farming for the entire year. Notre dam is insignificant to serious gold farmers. Compared to the increased gold gained and protected from coloseum they both probably come out even. Just becomes a question of how much u grind whether notre dam comes out on top or not. Coloseum has more of a cool factor. Fc is better for defense in the sniper meta. It might even be better vs 5 star armies if ur defense is strong enough. Currently my underdeveloped defense kills kitchen sink maxed out armies about halfway through the defenses. If i had an fc and was able to kill the army halfway through my base i might prevent quick victory and even possible tc kill. Although 50% is mostly guaranteed no matter what u do. So in that sense fc might be best from every angle. Anti sniper, anti 5 star, protecting gold(by forcing most raiders spent on tc/fc. Im able to take the gold trade goods from every base in the game and get victory for league rewards. But watching defense replays i think most people arent able too so in that sense fc would be best for gold protection
As for wonders vs clear forest and lost worker time. Offense is #1 priority. And by offense i mean anything that factors into ur gold/hr. That means mercenary camp, alliance gate, temple, library, war academy, trade good, gold, food storage.
But after that wonders are next in line for importance of building if u know which one to build. For industrial age i dont know which one is best so im holding off.
Forests need cleared for defensive purposes. And for future ages. The wonders need to be built no matter what because their very powerful. So worker time and forest clearing isnt a factor.
It just comes down to which one to build. Im very confident the wonders ive built are the best choice for what im looking for.
Every building in the game has a very long return on investment. Redoubt lvl 3 is 12 days to upgrade, 7 mil gold, 15% increase in dps. How much gold does that redoubt save me per defense? How long does it take for that saved gold to pay back 7mil and 4 workers down for 12 days. What about the increased losses for 12 days for it being non functional.
Wonders use food to upgrade so a worthless reasource. Not a loss in my book and does not need to be returned on investment. Once u build a wonder it automatically improves each age without further investment or taking it off line. Acropolis improves my ever more powerful defenders. Coloseum is 2x garrisons and automatically upgrades each age. No workers or resources needed. Wonders are the most valuable buildings in the game theres no question about building or clearing space for them
I can agree with all that good points redgar. Notre dam has the advatnage from those points until ur maxed out then it starts to lose ground to the coloseum. The longer we wait for global age to be released the more it shifts towards coloseum. And then eventually ur maxed out space age and u have to spend a small amount but still not inconsequential amount of crowns to switch. rather than go thru all that i would say its easier to go with the coloseum. It eventually catches up and surpasses notre dam and theres no crowns needed. But all 3 choices are good. Fc, notre dam, coloseum
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i want to expand on one thing that's redgar brought up, and that's an exposed TC. having an exposed TC will help you get easy doves, so that will protect a lot of resources. if you have the FC, that mean the enemy will have to take it and the TC or 50% you before you get a dove. this can equate to multiple attacks that steal lots of resources before you get a chance to use them. for this reason, i personally took the coliseum and have my tc exposed. also gotta say, if you already have the acropolis, it makes the coliseum even better/more fun.
