Greeks reborn and Glory Decay script injustice

[King Crimson]

To the members of Greek Reborn: if nobodyknowsthetrouble doesn't feel sorry for you - who cares? It's just one person's opinion.
Assuming what you've told us is the whole truth you're better off directing your energy at BHG.
Just my $0.02.

 

[bred2bbroken]

Not a member of Greeks Reborn here...

The alliance should not have been hit with a GD. The algorithm parameter for alliance size was based upon an instantaneous snapshot that did NOT take into account recent war activity. Glory is purely a function of war, not instantaneous alliance size.

Let's face it, GD was created to reign in glory sniping. Sharing accounts between 2 alliances to have a bigger war is  hardly glory sniping, and I should know because we glory snipe all the damn time!

Folks like @nobodyknowsthetrouble should keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum when they have absolutely zero clue about the depth of the subject matter, otherwise they look like utter fools and @nobodyknowsthetrouble certainly did a bang up job convincing me of such.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

What should I have learned?
Do you mean that you are actually Greeks and not just looking for a cool name?

Yes everyone is allowed to express his opinion.

Thanks

That’s the first pillar of democracy and you are speaking to Greeks. But that doesn’t mean that by expressing your opinion you are right.

I never said that my opinion was the only true one. In fact, I partially agree with oddin.

Every opinion is judged. And at the end the opinion that is most commonly accepted wins. That’s the second pillar of democracy.

So let's gather opinions before judging which is the most popular. Or after Tedi agrees every other opinion is outnumbered and therefore has to be attacked right away? On closer inspection, oddin's message has 5 spokesmen and only 3 more likes. Presumably some of these are from his own alliance. Is that really the majority of players/alliances already?

And I don’t know if you can see it but you are the only one that has a different opinion here.

If I understand bred correctly, he doesn't support the request either but just pointed out that Ares had a same treatment? But even if I misunderstood and he is on your side, then my post was the eighth word. Now I must be extremely wrong if a whopping 7 people have a different opinion. Have you ever participated in a discussion board or listen to a parliamentary discussion?

Everyone works for the commonwealth and tries to make the game better and fair. They don’t sit in a corner just being happy with a mistreatment of another. And that’s the last pillar of democracy.

To stay with the old example: If you are caught speeding by a temporary speed control of the police (BHG script), then your fine is not less just because you "usually" drive well or because you say others drive even faster here. The principle of equal treatment is also part of the commonwealth. Therefore, I probably work just as much on your beloved democracy ;-)

Hope you learned something today

Thanks, I hope you learned something as well ;-)

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Folks like @nobodyknowsthetrouble should keep their opinions to themselves in a public forum when they have absolutely zero clue about the depth of the subject matter, otherwise they look like utter fools and @nobodyknowsthetrouble certainly did a bang up job convincing me of such.

Sorry, but, i am allowed to respond, in a public forum everyone is allowed to respond even if he disagree with you ;-)
If Greeks Reborn had addressed their concerns by contacting support, then I would have no reason or chance to interfere. In a forum it looks different, especially since they are looking for support.
Here it should also be allowed to say that you have a different opinion without being immediately labeled as stupid. I have not written any personal attacks. Surely I am not as stupid as you think.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

How you can defend BHG with the quality of game that give us nowadays? This is the most weird thing about you. Express your opinion and then get the price from BHG for being a good boy. BHG script for Glory decay is clearly need to change and most people say the same, but you don't tell us why you insist? You are the programmer of the script?

i agree too. See my posts above. The parameter of the script should be public and they should change something.
but either BHG should refund all glory taken by the "wrong" script or they should refund nothing. Not "depending on your face" refund some glory.

 

[King DHoogster]

There was too much to actually read. But I got
The gist of it I think.

Wish BHG gave all the perameters of the glory decay but obviously if they did then the alliances that take advantage of glory sniping and multiple alliances would be able to do the bare minimum to skate past. To be fair I don’t believe there is anything wrong with glory sniping or having multiple
Alliances. This is a strategy game and teams thought outside the box to further their success. Even tho I don’t think there is anything wrong with this strategy I am against doing it. The strategy does not help the game grow our help promote a more competitive leader board. In the end I’m glad they implemented the glory decay as I believe and hope it will promote a better experience for more players in the top 100.

It seems like BHG created an auto script to combat inactive teams along with an attempt to promote single alliance teams. As it is their game and it is their right to do so.

I do agree that Greek reborn should not been hit with this. But we don’t know all the factors in why a team would receive glory decay. Hopefully this was just an over site in the script and BHG can and will resolve this.

 

[bred2bbroken]

Sorry, but, i am allowed to respond, in a public forum everyone is allowed to respond even if he disagree with you ;-)
If Greeks Reborn had addressed their concerns by contacting support, then I would have no reason or chance to interfere. In a forum it looks different, especially since they are looking for support.
Here it should also be allowed to say that you have a different opinion without being immediately labeled as stupid. I have not written any personal attacks. Surely I am not as stupid as you think.

You can disagree that 2+2=4 just because someone posted it publicly. You are absolutely free to state your opinions regardless of how they don't align with reality. As far a "stupid" I believe I said "foolish" not stupid. Two entirely different concepts. Remember, it is always better to stay silent and make folks wonder if you're a fool than to speak up and prove it.

 

[Rafar]

I sympathize with Greeks Reborn.

Regardless of who happened to lose glory, if the objective was to punish inactivity or something similar, then there was a failure in the applied process.
As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about users switching allegiances, either alone or in a group. There are several situations that this can occur without being considered unethical, but first of all it is not illegal.
Therefore, punishing active alliances in wars because they didn't have a certain amount of players in a single moment seems to me to be inadequate.
I'm a Glory Decay enthusiast, but I've always asked for transparency in the process and parameters. This transparency was denied by the BHG Moderator.
The process needs tweaking and can be improved a lot to make the game better, but mistakes during the process must be fixed.

 

[bred2bbroken]

There was too much to actually read. But I got
The gist of it I think.

Wish BHG gave all the perameters of the glory decay but obviously if they did then the alliances that take advantage of glory sniping and multiple alliances would be able to do the bare minimum to skate past. To be fair I don’t believe there is anything wrong with glory sniping or having multiple
Alliances. This is a strategy game and teams thought outside the box to further their success. Even tho I don’t think there is anything wrong with this strategy I am against doing it. The strategy does not help the game grow our help promote a more competitive leader board. In the end I’m glad they implemented the glory decay as I believe and hope it will promote a better experience for more players in the top 100.

It seems like BHG created an auto script to combat inactive teams along with an attempt to promote single alliance teams. As it is their game and it is their right to do so.

I do agree that Greek reborn should not been hit with this. But we don’t know all the factors in why a team would receive glory decay. Hopefully this was just an over site in the script and BHG can and will resolve this.

It's not an "auto-script."

It requires a manual trigger to run.

Facts.

 

[Rafar]

I sympathize with Greeks Reborn.

Regardless of who happened to lose glory, if the objective was to punish inactivity or something similar, then there was a failure in the applied process.
As far as I know, there is nothing illegal about users switching allegiances, either alone or in a group. There are several situations that this can occur without being considered unethical, but first of all it is not illegal.
Therefore, punishing active alliances in wars because they didn't have a certain amount of players in a single moment seems to me to be inadequate.
I'm a Glory Decay enthusiast, but I've always asked for transparency in the process and parameters. This transparency was denied by the BHG Moderator.
The process needs tweaking and can be improved a lot to make the game better, but mistakes during the process must be fixed.

Other alliances were also unduly penalized (in my understanding) and among them the alliance I belong to. The AVANTE BR.
We are an alliance that since the beginning does not tolerate cheating, including this in the description of our alliance since its foundation. We always consult the former dominations.pl and the current domistats.com. We are very zealous for the alliance and are enthusiasts of fair play and no undue exploitation.
It is very sad to have lost glory as we are active in war and always try to play within the legality.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Other alliances were also unduly penalized (in my understanding)

that is my point too. Either refund all alliances or none.
it is unfair to ask for refund only one alliance

 

[Magenia]

that is my point too. Either refund all alliances or none.
it is unfair to ask for refund only one alliance

You still don’t get it…perhaps there are a few other teams wrongfully punished, I don’t know, in which case Glory should be reinstated, not everyone though.
Now, with Greeks reborn, we are talking about a perfectly active Alliance, I can assure you that, we have matched twice in the last couple weeks and our last war ended Sunday afternoon CST, by no means they should have been considered as an inactive Alliance. Hope you understand the difference now.
At the same time there’s one other issue, how on earth those teams that had been inactive for months received a soft GD (-2K) just like Greeks when they should have been hit with at least twice that number, similar to what happened on June last year?
@Harlems369th can you please explain?

 

[NoMem Wilson]

The reason glory sniping started happening is because ARES got so far ahead they were risking huge amounts of glory every war. Which would be fine, but 95% of the teams out there would just lay down and not even try. So,. We thought, let's make them risk glory and maybe they will fight. Then we discovered it was actually really fun. The more that teams complained about it the more joy we got. War is a such a vicious violent act isn't it? Lets have glory penalty for not actually fighting. You could use criteria like if a team doesn't use max capacity troop tactics you lose double glory than what's posted. This would make everyone happy. We would stop sniping glory and you guys would have to fight and bhg would make money from troop tactics and no more of these weak empty stronghold wars. Fill them all. Fight or you don't belong on leaderboard. Let the best alliances climb and stay at the top. Games are meant to be gamed

 

[NoMem Wilson]

Also you won't get glory returned. If you did they would have to restore some of the ARES alliances and that's the whole point of the decay and would really upset the community. Welcome to unjust desserts. Tasty isn't it.

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

You still don’t get it…perhaps there are a few other teams wrongfully punished, I don’t know, in which case Glory should be reinstated, not everyone though.

No, you don't get the point.
IF you think the script was wrongful THEN ask for undo all glory decay AND THEN redo with an improved script.
DO NOT mess with glory of a single alliance because this is a special treatment and will cause injustice.

 

[King DHoogster]

It's not an "auto-script."

It requires a manual trigger to run.

Facts.

Doubt it

 

[King DHoogster]

Also you won't get glory returned. If you did they would have to restore some of the ARES alliances and that's the whole point of the decay and would really upset the community. Welcome to unjust desserts. Tasty isn't it.

Doubt it

 

[King DHoogster]

No, you don't get the point.
IF you think the script was wrongful THEN ask for undo all glory decay AND THEN redo with an improved script.
DO NOT mess with glory of a single alliance because this is a special treatment and will cause injustice.

I agree. Rewrite the script. If there was an issue it should be across all teams

 

[Stone_Dominations]

i agree too. See my posts above. The parameter of the script should be public and they should change something.
but either BHG should refund all glory taken by the "wrong" script or they should refund nothing. Not "depending on your face" refund some glory.

So you agree that the script code is wrong and need to be changed ok that's good for me.

 

[oddin]

I hope that BHG will see the error here and act accordingly. Awaiting an official response about all this.
@Harlems369th @BHGAustin @TheWise