Is it possible to change Nation ?
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They already stated that there is no way to restart the game currently but they didn't comment on whether we will be able to change nations so we can hope in the far off future they make this a possibility but i think that could possibly cause abuse by people starting as greeks and upgrading everything and becoming romans at the end to get strong army to get medals. It would be better if they made a reset option that made u start all over if u wanted a new nation rather then the option of switching no matter whether you have crowns or not. Even if you try to incorporate a little bit of reality into the game if you are a british nation, you can't just magically become a roman empire. The two occur at drastically different time periods so i think realistically speaking the option of restarting is better then being able to change nations.
EDIT: I just saw the Q&A video with the creators of the game and they said they are will be incorporating the ability to change nations and wonder soon after the global release so i guess it should be out in no time. I guess ill switch to greeks so i can max out everything then change back to romans for extra strength.
Or i think what could possibly be done is to have some sort of special ability granted to the people who stick to one nation rather then switching nations. For example start off greek and max out as soon as possible and then switch to romans to have the army stronger to get medals. I think a pure nation should have some sort of advantage.
EDIT: I just saw the Q&A video with the creators of the game and they said they are will be incorporating the ability to change nations and wonder soon after the global release so i guess it should be out in no time. I guess ill switch to greeks so i can max out everything then change back to romans for extra strength.
Or i think what could possibly be done is to have some sort of special ability granted to the people who stick to one nation rather then switching nations. For example start off greek and max out as soon as possible and then switch to romans to have the army stronger to get medals. I think a pure nation should have some sort of advantage.
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I agree it does kind of ruin the game in my opinion that they can just change the civilization. For example, i now regret choosing the Romans since i should have picked the greeks and been able to max everything quickly then i would have changed to the romans to be stronger in the long term. The problem is this might be abused very easily and ruin the game mechanics unless they put some major advantage to the pure nations this is going to become very bad in my opinion because there would be no point in selecting your nation when you can just change it whenever you please.
Also i am one of the ones who messed up and accidentally picked the wrong wonder which was pyramid. I wanted to pick the Acropolis but i accidentally picked pyramid and now my defense sucks and the pyramid honestly is very useless. I want to change the wonder and i can even understand changing it because it won't affect the game much but if you change nations, thats changing the entire game. I don't like it.
Also i am one of the ones who messed up and accidentally picked the wrong wonder which was pyramid. I wanted to pick the Acropolis but i accidentally picked pyramid and now my defense sucks and the pyramid honestly is very useless. I want to change the wonder and i can even understand changing it because it won't affect the game much but if you change nations, thats changing the entire game. I don't like it.
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EndTimes, I don't play tablet games to be burdened by the ownership of my choices. ;-) And I think a lot of people coming out of Bronze Age don't know enough to make an optimal choice, nor do the brief nationality descriptions complete their understanding. It would be one thing if this was a game like Civ that you might start afresh over and over. But this is a one time choice for a game that they hope you will continue to play for a year or more.
Skillz, if allowing people to change nations "ruins the game mechanics" then that probably means there are optimal nations at certain stages, like the Greeks and Romans. So then people who don't choose those end up relatively punished...where's the fun in that? If you ask me, having to live with a poor nation choice while everybody tells you you should have been Greek or Roman is what would ruin the game. And some folks, as they grow disappointed with their choice, will just quit and go back to Clash, etc, which isn't good for any fan of this game, especially the devs.
It seems the devs intend nationalities to cater to play styles, which is great. And like all these games, it might need iterations of further balancing to keep all choices viable. But limiting our ability to explore all the options (regardless of how more "realistic" that makes the game) limits, rather than enhances, our play experience.
Also, I chose Japanese, and now I'm bummed about it. I thought the peace treaties were normally shorter than they are. All you Greeks and Romans can commence smugness now. ;-)
Skillz, if allowing people to change nations "ruins the game mechanics" then that probably means there are optimal nations at certain stages, like the Greeks and Romans. So then people who don't choose those end up relatively punished...where's the fun in that? If you ask me, having to live with a poor nation choice while everybody tells you you should have been Greek or Roman is what would ruin the game. And some folks, as they grow disappointed with their choice, will just quit and go back to Clash, etc, which isn't good for any fan of this game, especially the devs.
It seems the devs intend nationalities to cater to play styles, which is great. And like all these games, it might need iterations of further balancing to keep all choices viable. But limiting our ability to explore all the options (regardless of how more "realistic" that makes the game) limits, rather than enhances, our play experience.
Also, I chose Japanese, and now I'm bummed about it. I thought the peace treaties were normally shorter than they are. All you Greeks and Romans can commence smugness now. ;-)
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Allowing that type of change would have some serious drawbacks. For example if people come to a consensus that one nation is superior to others, what's to stop everyone from switching over? That would seriously cripple the diversity of the community.
Hi Grendil. It is obvious that there are optimal nations at certain stages of the games once you learn about the game. That is why I said there shouldn't be any change because if they allow this i will immediately change to Greek to reap the most benefits and change over to Romans once i have maxed out. I think the best thing they could have done is to give the ability to restart the game so you are not stuck in the same nation. But allowing the players to switch during the game is kind of ridiculous in my opinion.
I agree the devs should cater to play styles and they have done that. For example, French train armies fast meaning that is the nation for those who want to attack as much as possible. Japanese have superior defense so that is for players who can't always play and need good peace treaties and defense.
Why do you say that the treaties are not longer then other nations. Could you take pictures of the treaties you get please.
I shall be smug now that i have your permission. Hehe
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As People have said there are optimal Nations out there. Each nation is meant to help with a certain play style. Problem is some nations are stronger then others at these play styles. And some of the wonders support these better. This is all meta right now. And if permanent it is important meta. Also depending on future updates.
Means this is a phone game not a lot of people are going to want to meta game to go down the right path. So in a way this is bad for the game. But I am a person who likes people to live with the choice a little. It should not be a flip of a button and you can change.
First off I feel changing nations or wonders should not be done buy crowns.
I would rather see something based of exp. Every 25 lvls you gain a point to spend on changing a wonder or nation. You will also need to rebuild wonder and re research nations troops. Something simple like this will still make the choice important but you can fix mistakes. Or if some major update aka Alliance wars. Or Alliance group objectives come out that a couple nations shine at people can switch to those so they can be on more balanced grounds.
Also if any major changes happen to one alliance or another that makes one alliance or another better or different from what you wanted you should be able to move on to something that suites you better.
Means this is a phone game not a lot of people are going to want to meta game to go down the right path. So in a way this is bad for the game. But I am a person who likes people to live with the choice a little. It should not be a flip of a button and you can change.
First off I feel changing nations or wonders should not be done buy crowns.
I would rather see something based of exp. Every 25 lvls you gain a point to spend on changing a wonder or nation. You will also need to rebuild wonder and re research nations troops. Something simple like this will still make the choice important but you can fix mistakes. Or if some major update aka Alliance wars. Or Alliance group objectives come out that a couple nations shine at people can switch to those so they can be on more balanced grounds.
Also if any major changes happen to one alliance or another that makes one alliance or another better or different from what you wanted you should be able to move on to something that suites you better.
We're all in the same situation when we start though. Unless you restart from the beginning knowing what you know now, there can't be any way that you know what you're getting until you get to the next stage. If you pick a nation that's got some lousy features, someone else has to contend with lousy features elsewhere. If there was one nation that was supreme in every aspect, what would the point be.
The object, surely is to be flexible and adapt with what you have been given. I don't think a change would be appropriate.
The object, surely is to be flexible and adapt with what you have been given. I don't think a change would be appropriate.
I wouldn't mind seeing the option to change nations implemented, but it can't be simply by collecting crowns or points, or whatever. Only fair way I see to do it is to impose an age regression, as well as a scaling resource fee depending on which age you're currently in. This way you're not just using one age to advance, and then swapping for a more advantageous one.
ex: "You've paid xxxx amount of gold to 'Nation A' in tribute that they might gift you with knowledge of their culture. You, however, lack the understanding to perfectly implement this knowledge, and will revert back to the 'X Age', sacrificing what you've gained thus far for a new way forward." (loss of tech/building upgrades would apply)
ex: "You've paid xxxx amount of gold to 'Nation A' in tribute that they might gift you with knowledge of their culture. You, however, lack the understanding to perfectly implement this knowledge, and will revert back to the 'X Age', sacrificing what you've gained thus far for a new way forward." (loss of tech/building upgrades would apply)
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They probably will make it cost crowns but I do think that they will give a boost to other nations so that they seem more appealing. I'm happy with the Japanese but I would like the change nation option just to see what it is like to be the romans.
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I really like the "get points every 25 levels or so to change either a wonder or nation" idea. Maybe something along the lines of only earning six points and having a nation change be 3 points and a wonder change be 2, or something like that. That puts a limit on the amount of times people can change at least and they won't be able to change immediately after doing it the first time.
(I hope that made sense?)
(I hope that made sense?)
