Re-Rolling Artifacts
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ya i did it once and then started thinking about the odds in play. it's not a good idea unless you have a special precious favorite weapon or something.
hey, is this legal worldwide? i thought RNG associated with crowns was a no-no in some places, hence the marcopolo chest issue.
hey, is this legal worldwide? i thought RNG associated with crowns was a no-no in some places, hence the marcopolo chest issue.
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is it possible they wouldn't have considered this? ... because that would be a nuclear IQ test fail.
i don't see a list of displayed odds which i believe is a requirement. is it some fine line they aren't crossing because it's not a 'new' thing but a reroll?
i don't see a list of displayed odds which i believe is a requirement. is it some fine line they aren't crossing because it's not a 'new' thing but a reroll?
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So... I have this artifact that started with 11% boosts to fighter hitpoints, field mortar hitpoints and ranged infantry in the first 3 lines, another 1% to field mortars, and 1% to raider damage. Best artifact I ever crafted. I just rerolled the last line (1% raider damage), and it became... 11% fighter hitpoints! 1st reroll! Best 100 crowns I've ever spent 
Now I just need 1,000 supplies to unlock that slot and eventually I can get a total of +55% fighter hitpoints. I will have my own permanent Invasion Event. Muahaha
Now I just need 1,000 supplies to unlock that slot and eventually I can get a total of +55% fighter hitpoints. I will have my own permanent Invasion Event. Muahaha
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Museum Artifact Reroll odds
TinSoldier As this is a pay for random drop situations I would like to know the odds?
What are the chances of a 1%/6%/11% starting percentage, and what are the odds of getting each different possible option for what will be boosted?
I believe that these are actually requirements among the pay for random drop now.
TinSoldier As this is a pay for random drop situations I would like to know the odds?
What are the chances of a 1%/6%/11% starting percentage, and what are the odds of getting each different possible option for what will be boosted?
I believe that these are actually requirements among the pay for random drop now.
i havent tried on my main yet but for my alt:
one of the weapon artifacts had:
enemy defender spawn time +6%
enemy defender spawn time +6%
paratrooper hp +6%
paratrooper damage +6%
added:
fighter hp +6%
the other weapon had:
fighter hp +11%
fighter hp +1%
fighter damage +6%
ranged siege damage +1%
added:
enemy defender spawn time +11%
cost about 2000 crowns. very happy with the results.
i’d say do it, but only for your weapon and jewelry artifacts.
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tried it on my main.
i’d say do it, but only for your weapon and jewelry artifacts, and dont be too ambitious about it.
i spent a lot more crowns for my main, but the results are not better than my alt.
one of the weapon artifacts had:
enemy defender spawn time +6%
enemy defender spawn time +6%
paratrooper hp +6%
paratrooper damage +6%
added:
fighter hp +6%
the other weapon had:
fighter hp +11%
fighter hp +1%
fighter damage +6%
ranged siege damage +1%
added:
enemy defender spawn time +11%
cost about 2000 crowns. very happy with the results.
i’d say do it, but only for your weapon and jewelry artifacts.
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tried it on my main.
i’d say do it, but only for your weapon and jewelry artifacts, and dont be too ambitious about it.
i spent a lot more crowns for my main, but the results are not better than my alt.
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I'm wondering how players enjoy basicaly a slot machine game instead of what was a rather good strategy game. Perhaps only addicts left to play this sick game. I'm happy to quit.
Dominations - strategy game or online gambling
Hi all - I wanted to provide some feedback regarding the recent changes in the Domination museum, in particular the re-rolling feature for artefacts. While I understand and appreciate Nexons desire and objective to make money (which is what happens with some of the other changes ie introduction of war specific artefacts which will force players to double up on museum artefacts if they enjoy playing in war so they have artefacts for both multiplayer and wars) I was absolutely dismayed to see the re-rolling feature being introduced. I saw there were a few posts on this already but wanted to add my view as well.
TinSoldier in my opinion, this single change introduction of the re-rolling feature shifts the Domination game from a strategy war game to an online gambling game, much more akin to slots or other online gambling. Playing in war will no longer be about any sort of offensive or defensive skills or strategy, it will be about how much you spin the dice (literally) on those specific rerolling artefacts to give you that elusive line that no one else has. You can see on the other posts, people end up overspending on the rerolling, much more so than they intended. Accordingly I would appreciate your help with the following suggestions recommendations:
- can Nexon confirm that this feature (re-rolling) does not require online gambling licences or that if it does .those licences are in place in all jurisdictions in which Dominations is offered and played, personally I am particularly interested in UK but question is relevant for other jurisdictions as well.
- has Nexon considered publicly and clearly disclosing to the player community the odds of getting 1 particular line of the highest percentage, so players have the information and are clearly aware upfront
- has Nexon considered disclosing the illustrative cost of this re-rolls so people are aware that the cost of these rerolls can or have the potential to add up quickly. I have done a quick back of envelope calculation, 1 reroll is £0.5 assuming you use discounted crowns purchase but if you spin 50-100 or more times (as some have already done, see various other postings) in search of that elusive line, the costs can easily mount up to unintended or unsustainable amounts for the player community.
- have you considered imposing other sort of limits or controls such as maximum rerolls (crown or $/£ limit or number of rerolls) per day or week or month. The current setup (rerolling allowed just 1 line per artefact) is in no way sufficient, given the way Nexon is monetizing the game (ie multiple artefact categories such as armour and weapons, jewellery, pottery, etc, multiple slots for artefacts within each of these categories, now further artefacts for each of multiplayer and war, I saw recently you are considering a further introduction of a 3% category for each of the artefacts, etc).
- have you considered introducing and clearly displaying for the player community gambling aware notices and resources, similar to what is practiced in UK online gambling community (ability to self exclude/ opt out of certain of these features, set limits on daily, weekly, spending, which organisations you can contact in case of a gambling addiction, etc).
- I would also like Nexon to seriously consider removing this inappropriate and misleading re-rolling feature, you have multiple other avenues for monetizing the game, including for example sales of war artefacts (legendary or otherwise) that have a clear and transparent price shown upfront, or expiring artefacts (similar to troop buildings such as stables, sentry towers, etc) but again with clearly disclosed upfront price. Personally, I cant see introducing these rerolling features to be in line with any sort of responsible gaming policy, which I assume Nexon has or is committed to having. If there is any statement or public position that you can share with the community on Nexons responsible gaming strategy or approach from Nexon senior management that would also be appreciated.
- last but not least, I find the graphics for the rerolling (dice) particularly suggestive, misleading (given the percentage odds players face for the rerolls0, and inappropriate for a strategy game and would encourage you to change these at the very very least.
Personally as mentioned above, I believe removing this re-rolling feature completely is the best course of action for Nexon and the player community over the long term
For your consideration and comments please, in this forum or in pm, happy to speak also if easier.
Hi all - I wanted to provide some feedback regarding the recent changes in the Domination museum, in particular the re-rolling feature for artefacts. While I understand and appreciate Nexons desire and objective to make money (which is what happens with some of the other changes ie introduction of war specific artefacts which will force players to double up on museum artefacts if they enjoy playing in war so they have artefacts for both multiplayer and wars) I was absolutely dismayed to see the re-rolling feature being introduced. I saw there were a few posts on this already but wanted to add my view as well.
TinSoldier in my opinion, this single change introduction of the re-rolling feature shifts the Domination game from a strategy war game to an online gambling game, much more akin to slots or other online gambling. Playing in war will no longer be about any sort of offensive or defensive skills or strategy, it will be about how much you spin the dice (literally) on those specific rerolling artefacts to give you that elusive line that no one else has. You can see on the other posts, people end up overspending on the rerolling, much more so than they intended. Accordingly I would appreciate your help with the following suggestions recommendations:
- can Nexon confirm that this feature (re-rolling) does not require online gambling licences or that if it does .those licences are in place in all jurisdictions in which Dominations is offered and played, personally I am particularly interested in UK but question is relevant for other jurisdictions as well.
- has Nexon considered publicly and clearly disclosing to the player community the odds of getting 1 particular line of the highest percentage, so players have the information and are clearly aware upfront
- has Nexon considered disclosing the illustrative cost of this re-rolls so people are aware that the cost of these rerolls can or have the potential to add up quickly. I have done a quick back of envelope calculation, 1 reroll is £0.5 assuming you use discounted crowns purchase but if you spin 50-100 or more times (as some have already done, see various other postings) in search of that elusive line, the costs can easily mount up to unintended or unsustainable amounts for the player community.
- have you considered imposing other sort of limits or controls such as maximum rerolls (crown or $/£ limit or number of rerolls) per day or week or month. The current setup (rerolling allowed just 1 line per artefact) is in no way sufficient, given the way Nexon is monetizing the game (ie multiple artefact categories such as armour and weapons, jewellery, pottery, etc, multiple slots for artefacts within each of these categories, now further artefacts for each of multiplayer and war, I saw recently you are considering a further introduction of a 3% category for each of the artefacts, etc).
- have you considered introducing and clearly displaying for the player community gambling aware notices and resources, similar to what is practiced in UK online gambling community (ability to self exclude/ opt out of certain of these features, set limits on daily, weekly, spending, which organisations you can contact in case of a gambling addiction, etc).
- I would also like Nexon to seriously consider removing this inappropriate and misleading re-rolling feature, you have multiple other avenues for monetizing the game, including for example sales of war artefacts (legendary or otherwise) that have a clear and transparent price shown upfront, or expiring artefacts (similar to troop buildings such as stables, sentry towers, etc) but again with clearly disclosed upfront price. Personally, I cant see introducing these rerolling features to be in line with any sort of responsible gaming policy, which I assume Nexon has or is committed to having. If there is any statement or public position that you can share with the community on Nexons responsible gaming strategy or approach from Nexon senior management that would also be appreciated.
- last but not least, I find the graphics for the rerolling (dice) particularly suggestive, misleading (given the percentage odds players face for the rerolls0, and inappropriate for a strategy game and would encourage you to change these at the very very least.
Personally as mentioned above, I believe removing this re-rolling feature completely is the best course of action for Nexon and the player community over the long term
For your consideration and comments please, in this forum or in pm, happy to speak also if easier.
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Re-rolling is useless to me. Every day I collect enough fragments to yield 10-20 artifacts, surely someday I'll get what I want
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I think you've misunderstood the point of re-rolling people!
Try collecting fragments and yielding new artifacts, it's a lot easier.
If you've found the absolute artifact having 4 out of 5 desired features and one worthless, then you could try re-rolling (not excessive) in order to aim for a more useful feature. Without that being indispensable.
Try collecting fragments and yielding new artifacts, it's a lot easier.
If you've found the absolute artifact having 4 out of 5 desired features and one worthless, then you could try re-rolling (not excessive) in order to aim for a more useful feature. Without that being indispensable.
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I wouldn't re-roll just for numbers. Try a different artifact
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they offered us a feature that many of us asked for. What we didn't know is that it will require crowns!! What about explorers or fragments? If that was the case then we would not ask for clarifications but now we must have the information of chances for each reroll
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Chances for some artifacts are gone forever after the introduction of the new perks. Doubled all loot increase or doubled oil well production are nearly impossible to get now. I was trying to add third oil well increase to my artifact, but all I was getting were some defensive or farm/caravan increasing perks.
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I hope it will not start like:
Greetings Leader!
Thank you for reaching out to us!
We hope to dispatch our cavalry to your location....
... and end like:
Thank you for your patience and see you by the court
Cris 4321 : great post, spot on, touché!
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That wasn't the question.
I want to know what the odds of the various results are given that we are paying money for this re-rolling service. TinSoldier
This is a requirement for the Apple Store, and Chinese law BTW.
I want to know what the odds of the various results are given that we are paying money for this re-rolling service. TinSoldier
This is a requirement for the Apple Store, and Chinese law BTW.
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My brother has a drinking and gaming $$$ spending problem. These P$2Win and re-balancing schemes are immoral and play on people's emotions for something that is supposed to be relaxing and have a fixed cost. You need to introduce artifact re-roll odds and artifact crafting odds, and a way for players to use resources for re-rolls otherwise this is a Pay-to-Play not Free to Play game as advertised on the app store. FALSE ADVERTISING AND ILLEGAL GAMBLING SCHEME. Guess I'll be seeing you in court over this TinSoldier
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