Why I think Germans > Romans

[Strong]

So as well all know Romans get 10% extra troop space. And ground unit 25% more health. Germans receive 10% damage for next battle after a win. Ground unit does 20% more damage. Plus rally is twice as long so basically double speed bonus and you can rally 5 seconds sooner. So for me I will lose a match around 1 every 30-50. So for this post I will assume you get the 10% extra damage for every attack when comparing.

In my opinion 10% dps is better than 10% extra troops. Troop space 10% is rounded down when calculating extra troops. Troops you actually have to train so it will take 10% longer to battle. Inside the battle I am not sure which would be better between the 10% dps and the extra troops. Also there have been many times as romans I was within 5 seconds of a quick victory and if i could have rallied tc or fc sooner I would have got quick victory. I am currently not Roman or German, but I just wanted to see everyones thoughts since clearly Romans have been the dominating nation in the leaderboards since we could change nations.

 

[Redgar]

Well they may be pretty equal in fact, so people aren't switching from rome, caz there is no feasible improvement. If you switch from other nations and consider rome or german, I also think germany is better, also knowing they'll get a buff.

Regarding numbers, rome still is ahead of germany on total dmg/hp, but it may depend alot on field situation and army composition who may deliver more dmg in the final end.

For now it all matters much less with no returning 5-starring armies, but it may change soon, though.

I expect germany to become top 5-starring nation in hands of pro player, so it could be my next switch.

 

[dbukalski]

I agree with redgar. As things stand. If french got nerfed and nothing else changed germans would be my choice

As is romans have better raw stats. +10% hp and 10% dps is better than 10% dps. The roman 10% more hp means more troops survive(defender dps spread out more so on average romans should have 10% more surviving troops). For every kill defense inflicts romans lose a smaller percentage of their total dps

A german army that loses 1 infantry loses more of its punch than a roman army that has its total dps spread out over 110% sized army

What this means is as the german army loses dps faster over the 3 minute battle timer its casualties escalate faster than the romans

This is purely from raw stats standpoint. The german rally flips things around though. Longer lasting rally movement means less time spent in transit taking damage to and away from defenses. Faster replenish rally means regrouping the spread out attackers. Minimizing how many defensive buildings can attack ur spread out forces. And having concentrated dps means quicker wall penetration and defense destruction. All of which means fewer casualties. In theory.

Watching replays of countless maxed out kitchen sink armies attack my base i see rally being used to hurt the attacker. Their troops start to spread out. They start attacking random wall peices. At about half dead wall peices the player rallies troops back. Who spend time leaving engagement. Entering engagement in almost the same spread pattern. Little more concentrated but not a massive improvement. And a lot of wasted seconds moving around to end up with similar situation. Attacking wall peices spread out. That could be chocked up to poor tactical decisions. But watching so many replays with similar results it comes out that rallying around the perimeter of the base isnt pure profit. Sometimes its better to push forward let the troops finish their goal

Only with playtesting can i say if roman raw stats advantage plays out better than german vague rally advantage.

Its probably a middle ground of romans are better for moderate players and germans are better for more skilled players. Its human nature to think urself above average. I read somewhere 80% of people think their above average. So theres a good chance that there will be, are a lot of german players who would be better off as romans.

I can see rally being more important combined with air units for combined effect

Or maybe one nation just plays out better on the battlefield than the other by such a degree that their the clear #1 for all.

Maybe bhg will buff nations while nerfing france totally changing the situation

 

[Strong]

Wow thank you. I never thought of the 10% troops as having 10% more dps to. I knew I had a mistake somewhere in my logic. But I tend to agree with both of you and if French/training blessing is ever nerfed I will probably be switching to Germany. Because like you said I am someone who thinks they are better than average haha. And even if I am not I would like the room for improvement where eventually I can reach a point where Germany will (hopefully) help me out more than the Romans. And plus the training time alone drives me crazy and that is my biggest issue with Romans. But I guess that doesn't matter to much since now I am getting to the point where it takes minutes just to find one opponent.

 

[Redgar]

Well, I've seen how strong germans use rally on objects and even if some army stucks, they're having another rally coming next, so with 6 cannons its kinda strong push. Once you cleaned cannon towers, tanks and biplanes smash anything else.

But, brits may really get a heavy tank buff imo, so it's gonna be a real duel for 5-starring crown..., brits, germans and romans

 

[Eddie F1]

Or Korea, Nexons original home, or Japan, where they are now or China - basically Asia, Nexon's main market. Then we've got USA entering at some point.

Oh dear, we've forgotten the Greeks!

 

[Redgar]

Nah, redoubts own those short shooting folks without deadly skirts )))

Japan needs global soldiers buff, otherwise its nothing in attack.

But the best nation currently would be mongols with stronger raiders and their faster cooking time, like 1 second )))

 

[Gambrinus]

lots of great analysis on this subject, and I'll have to agree with most of what been said. so as a former roman player here's my 2¢ on it.

Rome is a great nation, especially at the beginning of the game, because you just get more of the troops that you already know and use regularly, it's an easy nation to use successfully.

for German the bonus of dps applies to all troops (even merc and alli troops) so, this gives it a slight edge on the Roman dps, since it only applies to your barracks/factory troops. Also while under rally, which last twice as long, the troops get an increase in speed and an increase in dps. the only really drawback imo is that rally command is buggy and that even well intentioned rally point can quickly lead your whole army to it's doom. so players must be careful and lucky to make that nation bonus pay off.

 

[dbukalski]

Good point gamb i didnt think of that. The german 10% dps applies to air, mercs, reinforcements which makes a big difference

Are u sure theres a dps bonus for rally? I thought it was just a speed boost?

 

[Redgar]

Well, speed may kinda apply to attack speed too, so it's easily can be 50-100% more dmg. I forgot how long rally lasts, but if ot lets say 5 seconds, germans have 10, so its like 15-20 seconds of effective buff what gives you another 10% dps?

 

[Gambrinus]

as redgar pointed out, it's the speed boost that let's them attack faster, so I'd call that a dps boost, but it's kinda hard to quantify.

also generals get the dps boost too from their national power. and once generals are leveled, and you take 2 of them, that's a lot of firepower on the field.

so it's a pretty solid nation overall and at least on par, if not better than Romans, if played properly.

 

[Deth Adder]

Where is the best place 2 look 4 gp bases... I need some new ideas 4 my current base. I just made the gp jump n my lvl is 74... In need of some good templates... Pls help

 

[Eddie F1]

Take screenshots of bases you like the look of while 'Next'ing for opponents or look at bases in the League you are in.

 

[GroteKoning]

Yes, as Eddie said. Also take screenshots from (replay) those bases that destroyed your troops.

PS: A good future reference is of course USA Elite. There you will find a lot of forum player ideas, lol. Love it.

 

[dbukalski]

Grote for a second i thought u were saying u joined us. Was gonna ask which player ur were

 

[dbukalski]

Just did a test run. With 100% certanty Rally doesnt change attack speed or damage per attack. Its only a movement speed boost

But the 10% dps german bonus applying to generals, mercs, reinforcements does make them the best in my book

 

[Gambrinus]

hmmm, that's weird, they always seemed to do more damage when they are glowing from the rally command. I'll assume the perceived DPS boost when using rally is just then the byproduct of concentrating all the troops firepower at 1 target.

 

[Deth Adder]

Yeah ive done that... Not really seein anything.. But thanx bro...

 

[Deth Adder]

Wut is the exact coverage of versailles... Mine is almost built... Like wuts it compared 2

 

[Redgar]

Well, I noted some koreans gunmen spam at the highest level, so its kinda works too