Time it takes to max account, buildings/forrest only

LordJestix · Jul 21, 2017

I had a slow day at work so after some discussion in another thread i thought id see what it takes to max an account.

There are some issues with my spread sheet though.

All the info i used to make this comes from the wiki.

With that said, im missing information for Wonders and the strong hold. I also dont know if its all accurate and i excluded some buildings at the early ages that take less than 1 minute.

I also didnt come out with the same totals for the top part of the "Grand Total Tab" and the totals for the building break down below it. I believe the building break down are the accurate numbers.

Summary of info:

To upgrade all buildings to max and clear your forrest excluding wonders, walls, and the strong hold, it requires 4976.490511 days of upgrade time or 13.63422058 years.

With the average of 3.571151671 workers needed to upgrade buildings and based on the "maximum" of 16 workers, you can upgrade 4.480347371 buildings at the same time.

This breaks down to 3.04311685 years to fully max your account buildings only. This means during those 3 years you cannot do any university research or essentially upgrade any walls.

I am going to factor in university research eventually.

Green Bird · Jul 21, 2017

Amazing. I have always been upgrading to max except walls and I am now mid Global after 19 months with all buildings at least Industrial and some offensive uni research done. Obviously, I have a good few months to go yet on the buildings but the end is in sight.

This would mean that maxing out atomic buildings takes close to a year on their own. Thanks, but no thanks. I will stop at Global and do uni at leisure. The game has got to stop somewhere anyway, so this may as well be at the Global age for me.

LordJestix · Jul 21, 2017

Green Bird said:
Amazing. I have always been upgrading to max except walls and I am now mid Global after 19 months with all buildings at least Industrial and some offensive uni research done. Obviously, I have a good few months to go yet on the buildings but the end is in sight.

This would mean that maxing out atomic buildings takes close to a year on their own. Thanks, but no thanks. I will stop at Global and do uni at leisure. The game has got to stop somewhere anyway, so this may as well be at the Global age for me.

1.165503542 years for atomic building upgrades only.

Edit: The above total is based on the 3.57 worker average, but the worker average is going to be less because at Atomic many buildings take more than 4 workers.

Green Bird · Jul 21, 2017

Whistles softly. It is good we have this math. 'Makes the girl think'.

LordJestix · Jul 21, 2017

After some more careful calculations my previous numbers were a bit off. With that said its still pretty bad how long it starts to take to advance to the next age, especially considering they are adding 2 more ages. These numbers are estimates as always based off the data i have via wiki and assume you max the entire age before moving to the next.

=TIME/(16/AVG WORKERS)
AGE	YEARS PER AGE	DAYS/AGE	30D MONTHS/AGE
01 Stone Age	4.09113E-05	0.014932622	0.000497754
02 Bronze Age	0.000609299	0.22239409	0.007413136
03 Iron Age	0.004857663	1.773046935	0.059101564
04 Classical Age	0.020113451	7.341409714	0.244713657
05 Medieval Age	0.055010464	20.0788195	0.669293983
06 Gunpowder Age	0.122077377	44.55824274	1.485274758
07 Enlightenment Age	0.19991409	72.96864267	2.432288089
08 Industrial Age	0.452269294	165.0782922	5.502609739
09 Global Age	0.667669641	243.6994189	8.123313963
10 Atomic Age	1.064922854	388.6968418	12.95656139
Grand Total	2.587485044	944.4320411	31.48106804

What this table tells us, it essentially takes the same amount of time to fully max out AA as it does to fully max out IA and GA Combined.

Again, these numbers dont factor in University research or library/armory research(which really doesnt factor since no workers are needed.

Cajunking · Jul 21, 2017

never looked at it like this, thanks. Makes one re-evaluate moving into another age. As you mentioned in another thread, a time blessing or a clock tower event that was 2x or 5x faster on all buildings would be huge....as long as priced right.

SiuYin · Jul 21, 2017

nice job. that prove that the big inflation of manday from ia to aa

TheOneLeggedOne · Jul 21, 2017

Yeah, Figured the same, Not going AA until Space age comes out...
Nearly Maxxed all Global age buildings now, worst thing is that is was spending the Spare gold & food on walls, Now they are Maxxed at Lvl 14 I've got very little to spend it on, so piling up... will concentrate solely on UNI Research soon... Taken 2yrs to get there though...

British Coffee · Jul 21, 2017

This is the exact problem of this game. It discouages players from spending more time as you become higher level/age. It would be much better to have a cap of 7 days ish for higher ages and rather increase the cost. There really isn't anything to do while waiting for these upgrades to finish since one training blessing with raiders pretty much give you more than enough resources to upgrade, making you play less as you age up.

Bigbrother · Jul 22, 2017

Thank you very much. your calculator will make Nexonn thing again. They must introduce Time Blessing or Clock Tower to make building faster

Bedlam · Jul 22, 2017

*sobs quietly*

SiuYin · Jul 22, 2017

A different view, the number is based on worker * days or mandays

	Classical Age	Medieval Age	Gunpowder Age	Enlightenment Age	Industrial Age	Global Age	Atomic Age
Armory	1.333333	4	8	16	24	28	36
Library	0.333333	5.333333	8	16	48	68	40
Market	9.333333	18.66667	16	32	80	96	112
Mill	9.333333	18.66667	16	32	80	96	112
Oil Refinery			8	24	60	36
Oil Well				70	70	120	285
Temple	1.333333	4	8	16	32	40
University		12	12	20	28	36
Air Defense				192	128	160
Anti-Tank Gun	18	36	54	72	180	216	234
Bunker					120	80	96
Mortar	16	32	48	80	192	224	224
Garrison	20	40	60	80	160	200	360
Machine Gun		32	64	192	224	224
Sniper Tower				96	192	252
Tank Depot	13.33333	48	48	80	160	480	648
Tower	24	48	72	96	168	256	288
Ambush Trap	0	9	18	81	36	54	81
Caltrops	4	8	16	32	40	56	152
S.A.M. Battery					144	136
Land Mine	4	8	16	40	56	64	152
Airstrip					72	48	52
Barracks		6	12	36	96		150
Castle		8	16	20	36	88	96
Command Post	0	4	8	28	32	40	44
Embassy		4	8	16	24	32	36
Factory				36	28	76	100
Mercenary Camp	4	8	12	20	36	40	48
Stronghold	2		4		12		28
War Academy	1.666667	4	8	16	24	32	40
Alliance Gate	1	4	8	28	68	40	44
Town Center	8	16	20	28	40	96
Total:	137.6667	333.6667	528	1055	2438	3346	4302
16 workers	9.833333	23.83333	37.71429	75.35714	174.1429	239	307.2857
19 workers	7.2456	17.5614	27.7894	55.5263	128.3157	176.1052	226.4210

JoeyParkerEastman · Jul 24, 2017

This is a really good post. I'm a new player, so it helps me out a lot. Thank you.

GailWho · Jul 24, 2017

The things we do while waiting for workers to free up

LordJestix · Jul 25, 2017

GailWho said:
The things we do while waiting for workers to free up

Actually im hoping that it helps the conversation into making upgrade times shorter. It takes a year or more to fully max an AA base without doing any university research. I can only imagine cold war age is going to be at least 1.25-1.5 years not counting university research.

We already have an issue of player retention IA and above, its only going to get worse.

Prior to the 2 university trees that lowered research time and worker cost, it took 55 days to fully max a single tech in the level 1 tree.

Thats 165 days for leonardo, 110 days for catherine, 165 days for sejong, So thats an additional 1.2 years added to the total 13+ year upgrade time in the game.

Quovatis · Jul 25, 2017

If the university didn't exist, and Atomic age was the last age, these numbers would be fine. But in reality, we have at least 2 more ages to go, and the university consumes many available workers. It's flat out impossible to max defenses, let alone put any dent in the university without investing serious money.

Green Bird · Jul 25, 2017

Just trying to enter the same river twice, I opened a new game account on my old iPad. Now 18 month into the game on my primary Global account I totally forgot what it was in the beginning.

Imagine my excitement. Not a dull moment. Things to upgrade 10 minutes to 1-2 hours max, animals appearing all the time, mines and trees ready for harvesting every 10 minutes. On first few multiplayer attacks the stronghold totally wipes out all your mighty 25 foot soldiers. Archers are useless because most have only got one barrack. The whole army takes under 10 minutes to rebuild.

So you think it will take long to progress. Not at all! The best part is this - the game frequently matches you with anybody up to Industrial (so far for me). Yes, as a level 9 bronze Age you get to attack a level 150 Industrial! So resources are never a problem. You can hold 25k or so each of gold and food - so you just send a couple of chaps to take down an industrial farm or a caravan and you are laughing.

I strongly recommend to relive this experience to those bored with waiting times at the top!

jezral · Jul 25, 2017

They could fix this EASILY by just giving us fluid building queues.

Instead of making us put 3-4 workers on multiple tasks that take 7 days each, let us put all of the workers on a single task so we can complete it in 2 days.

And let us pull a few workers off that task to go forage/hunt and then go right back to whatever was being built without having to cancel the job.

Also, the docks shouldn't require workers. We should be able to choose one voyage we can go on at a time, like the library, that won't cause your building queues to suffer.

Should be easy to implement, and would be a huge quality of life improvement.

LordJestix · Jul 25, 2017

jezral said:
They could fix this EASILY by just giving us fluid building queues.

Instead of making us put 3-4 workers on multiple tasks that take 7 days each, let us put all of the workers on a single task so we can complete it in 2 days.

And let us pull a few workers off that task to go forage/hunt and then go right back to whatever was being built without having to cancel the job.

Also, the docks shouldn't require workers. We should be able to choose one voyage we can go on at a time, like the library, that won't cause your building queues to suffer.

Should be easy to implement, and would be a huge quality of life improvement.

This really doesnt change how long it takes to max things. They would just Scale the time based on the workers. So for example, it takes 10 days for an upgrade that requies 8 workers, now with 16 workers on it, it only takes 5 days.

All this does is allow you to get a specific building done sooner than normal, but overall it all takes the same amount of time to upgrade because you dont have workers doing anything else but that one building. I would still like this change especially having mercs/etc down for so long i cant use them in multiple wars.

LordJestix · Jul 25, 2017

-Here is the grand total of all worker required upgrades to max FULLY max a single base

Age	Years Per Age	Days	30-day Months
01 Stone	4.09113E-05	0.014932622	0.000497754
02 Bronze	0.000609299	0.22239409	0.007413136
03 Iron	0.004857663	1.773046935	0.059101564
04 Classical	0.020113451	7.341409714	0.244713657
05 Medieval	0.055010464	20.0788195	0.669293983
06 Gunpowder	0.519776388	189.7183815	6.32394605
07 Enlightenment	0.605051076	220.8436429	7.361454762
08 Industrial	1.049986189	383.244959	12.77483197
09 Global	1.13461028	414.1327523	13.80442508
10 Atomic	1.091406872	398.3635084	13.27878361
Grand Total	4.481462594	1635.733847	54.52446156

Yes you read correctly, it takes nearly 4.5 years to fully max an AA base.

This is over 2x the length in time it takes to fully max a CoC base. In CoC it takes 3,768.01 days in upgrade time to max the base. Divide that by 5 workers and you get 753.60 days or 2.064 Years to fully max a CoC base.

Time it takes to max account, buildings/forrest only

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