An Accelerated Course of Study: Graduating From the University Quickly

[Magnifico]

Those of us who aren't cheating or spending thousands of dollars worth of crowns have a long road ahead of us with the new university. There are five Great Leaders (with another one "Coming Soon"), each with 100 levels of upgrades. I'm still waiting for my university to build, so maybe this is a bit premature, but I want to hit the ground running when it does. This video shows all of the various upgrades, including the "capstone" upgrades for researching all 100 levels from a given leader. The key stumbling block is that university research requires workers to conduct. So far the ones I've seen in the video take 3 each, but it's possible higher-tier upgrades take more.

The takeaway for me is that the way to go is to focus like a laser on King Sejong's tree, since his capstone ability is to reduce the number of workers required to research university upgrades by one. That will save many days worth of worker-hours while you research the other 400 levels of upgrades from other Great Leaders (minus any you happen to get while you are maxing out King Sejong, since apparently if you have enough workers available you can research upgrades from multiple leaders at once). The other capstone ability of note if you are looking to spend as little time researching as you can is Leonardo da Vinci's, which reduces the time required to research university upgrades. The reduction is only 10%, so this seems way lower-priority than Sejong's (despite with the robot voice in the video says). Who knows how long the upper-tier upgrades take, though. :/

 

[Quovatis]

The leaders unlocked at lvl 2 university take 4 workers to research. Also everyone can just give up trying to get capstone powers. Each research takes 55 days to complete (first tier). So assuming the research times don't go up at the higher tiers (which is probably a bad assumption), it will take at least 550 days of constant research to get all 100 in a single line. Good luck with that.

This patch is for the elite 1%. Nobody but cheaters will get to see much of anything from the university.

 

[Magnifico]

Ugh, the more details emerge the worse it gets. OK, new plan: just ignore the university unless you need to keep some workers busy for a day or two when there's likely to be a discount weekend coming up.

 

[Quovatis]

Ugh, the more details emerge the worse it gets. OK, new plan: just ignore the university unless you need to keep some workers busy for a day or two when there's likely to be a discount weekend coming up.

Yep, I was excited too when I first saw the university, but once all the details are clear, it's obvious that it should just be ignored because it's a futile effort to get even a single capstone power before I die of old age.

Seriously Nexon, have you done the math? It's ridiculous!

 

[Jaked08]

Thx for the advice fellas.

 

[Sletteer1987]

I was surprised myself when I finished my first skill item to take 1 day to find out that the next level is 2 days to complete so I am assuming that each skill upgrade increases in time.

 

[Ravenlord]

Nexon giveth with the one hand and then giveth some more with other !!! I cant see how this was ever considered a worthwhile addition to the game. Forgetting the workers and times needed, the benefits aren't even worthwhile - a few extra percentage points dps or hp each step??! Hardly worthwhile even for my almost maxed global nation!

I'm better off just using the occassional blessing .....

 

[Blacknife686]

If the troop bonus damage and health increase steadily at the same pace you could be looking at 30% to each troop type, which isn't that bad at all really.

 

[Ravenlord]

Sure l get that. But I'm thinking advanced ages that have the resources would have strong enough bases already - and lower aged bases wouldn't have the manpower to get a lot of this done - and if they spent time on the Uni their bases might suffer.
I think the Uni is a good idea with manageable goals but the addition of workers is just Nexon being obtuse - or blatantly uncaring of the player base.
Sure you can argue they've added another 'upgrade' building in keeping with players' cries for a 2nd armory - but adding the workers element is like giving a one-armed, one-legged man an electric wheelchair - but in kit form and he has to build it.

 

[Brian Plautz]

1) has anyone confirmed that the time doesn't cap out?
2) If Nexon wants my money they need to let me get more people - capping it at 16 and requiring so many people who are working for days leads me to sometimes just forget about the game for more than 24hr. I just set an reminder on my phone and refuse to look at the game since I have no people available.

 

[MaT2000]

Nexon giveth with the one hand and then giveth some more with other !!! I cant see how this was ever considered a worthwhile addition to the game. Forgetting the workers and times needed, the benefits aren't even worthwhile - a few extra percentage points dps or hp each step??! Hardly worthwhile even for my almost maxed global nation!

I'm better off just using the occassional blessing .....

Let's see.
One mortar lvl 6>7 upgrade takes 4 workers x 14 days = 56 workerdays, gives me +13 dps total
University mortar damage research level 1 takes 3 workers x 1 day = 3 workerdays, gives me 2,79 dps x 4 mortars = +11,1 dps total

Do the math: 56 workerdays +13dps vs 3 workerdays +11dps

 

[Quovatis]

First tier stuff is ok, but that's about as much as the average player is ever going to get

 

[Duble Iskender]

this is major problem.this is power creep maybe you cant see but these upgrades are too powerfull for same age. but major problem traning time. this game now turns EVEONLINE @ eve olderplayers simply rape new players.becausee even skillfull player dont have chance againt old players. crazy traning time is huge wall for new players. i can understand if expensive but this unlogical..again another company ruin his game with greed.

 

[Magnifico]

Duble Iskender makes a good point. I can see serious world war alliances rejecting newer players. "Sorry, come back in a few years when you have the relevant University upgrades".

 

[Ravenlord]

Assuming all your mortars fire at the same target all at once MaT2000 l think you're being a little overzealous with your 11%. You need to compare apples with apples mate!!

Admittedly I'm talking about my global bases which doesn't really need the Uni - lower aged bases will be better off with the manageable, incremental upgrades like 3%.

 

[krishnanmms]

Industrial Age Mortar with 3/4 levels of university 'damage and hit points' upgrade is better than global age mortar (dps & hit points). It simply makes better sense to take the univ upgrades as shortcut for now instead of upgrading, mortar at a time.

Since both require workers, it is now a direct choice between upgrading one building at a time or taking the univ shortcut (where applicable). I hope somebody comes up with detailed math, on which choice is better for each building type.

Univ gives about 30% increase in dps and hit points for some buildings. That is more than two ages of upgrade ( typically you get 8-15% per age) - you can get space age mortar now . Or worse enlightenment age user can get a global age mortar without grinding through hundreds of days of upgrades at a very low upgrade cost (instead of 8.5 million per mortar we spend).

Even with superficial analysis, I feel that we should stop all new building upgrades and start 3/4 streams of univ upgrades, till the low hanging fruits are cleared.


In the long run we cannot afford to ignore univ upgrades, since it upgrades both defence and offence. The same global age mortar is going to feel weaker as more people upgrade their troops through univ.

 

[ArizonaBay]

My biggest problem with the university is the fact that there's no way of knowing if an enemy has researched anything. A mortar that my demolition may normally destroy may not work now and wind up leaving 1-2% health remaining, thus rendering my tactics useless or at the very least, wasted. They have got to implement the ability to see the HP of a building when scouting. Virtually every other game like DomiNations has this ability. Why can't we?

 

[Blacknife686]

Because Nexon doesn't care about what we want, just what makes them more money.

 

[Vixen]

Is it really a challenge when you know how strong your enemy is? Not very real life is it.. I agree I like to know too but think about it for a minute...

 

[Big Daddy]

Does the completion of a research add XP points, to your XP lever?