Big round of Applause to those crying 'nerf the French and thier training blessing'

[MadFury]

Gambrinus I don't know why you're still posting. I don't know how many times I have to prove you wrong. And no there is no imaginary 'huge bonus'. So to set you straight all you accomplished was helping to get the Training Blessing nerfed for everyone. I'm sure everyone can thank you and your little buddy Redgar for that.

 

[Ravenlord]

if you have the library research and you can add an additional 20% to that if you are French for a total of 97%.

97% - Is that right? I always thought the standard 20% applied, then the remaining 80% was reduced by a further 77%, which would make your final training time only 18%, not 3%.
(100-20% > less 77% = 18%)

Someone please clarify.

 

[MadFury]

The normal traning blessing is a base 70%. Which is down from the base 80% it used to be before it was nerfed the first time. Once you complete the library research which adds an additional 10% to all timed blessings it is then extended to 77%. So every nation with the exception of the French has thier troops trained 77% quicker. The French's 20% quicker training bonus simply gets added to that 77% training time for a total of 97%.

 

[Redgar]

In fact, it should be as it is written in description. 20% faster. With or without training blessing. But since devs confirmed that it is working as intended it is 3% now, while others have 23% after Tb, so it is like 700% faster. Built-in cheat available for months worth of 1b of free gold

 

[Redgar]

Madfury skipped school lessons when they learned %. So it is useless to explain )))

What is french nation power? 20% faster troop builds. Blessings should not matter. It should be as it is written. If british tank builds for 60 seconds on training blessing, french should be built in 60 - 20% = 48 seconds, not 10.

When its 10 seconds, it is like 85% faster army build, so it increases original power 4,5 times. Not saying that it saves TB for more battles.

Than there should be a blessing increasing british loot 4,5 times, rome army buff 4,5 times up to 180, japanese PT buff 4,5 times right?
Other nations just can't catch up with that because this buff is better than all of their powers combined. That's why certain nerf is right, but fair % should be increased to 30.

 

[atramar]

You haven't seen this coming?
My standard army build : about 42 minutes, with TB around 9.5 minutes, for french that would be 1 minute 40 seconds.
How is that not to much? are my soldiers (which I don't even use) so much better then your HC (which I use as Jap)?
if it was 7-8 train time for french with TB, no one would cry, but a 1 minute and 40 seconds?

again, raider army (for me): 19 minutes standard, 4,5 minute with TB, 40 seconds if I was french... really? 3,5 minutes would be fine, but 40 seconds? that is not 20% faster, that is over 5 times faster!

*numbers are not exact to the letter*

you haven't seen this coming?

 

[Gambrinus]

hmmm let me count the ways you've proved me wrong... 0

suck it up and quit you whining

 

[Gambrinus]

look, it's someone else that knows basic math...

maybe redgar can help tutor you madfury, as it's apparent that math is a major weakness of yours.

 

[GroteKoning]

Lol, too late now to change to French?

 

[Gambrinus]

we can keep telling him this over and over again, but i just think it's beyond him to get this simple concept of why the French are so OP with the TB.

 

[atramar]

@Gambrinus:
heh, guess you're right. still, nice to be a part of it

 

[Porcupine]

I'm french too, never advertised the TB nerf but it was quite expected.
I'm sorry MadFury but Dbuk is right on everything however lets clear some minor things for you both about the numbers once and for all.

Lets assume a raiding army with 28min train time:

Calculations

• With 20% faster french training that would be 28 - (28 x 0.2) = 22.4min
• With TB using non french the train time would be 28 - (28 x 0.77) = 6.44min (386sec)
• With TB using french the train time would be 28 - (28 x 0.97) = 0.85min (50sec)

Some would argue that the formula isn't logical since the reall train time for french should be:

• 22.4 - (22.4 x 0.77) = 5.2min Which not very special as well.

Now why is the current french TB combo is op and nerf was expected?

• 386 / 50 = 7.73

Not only French TB is 6x faster but 7.73!

Please note that 6x faster isn't 600% faster, nor 7.73 is 773%.

So how much is it faster in percentage?

• 386 - 50 = 336
• 336 / 386 = 0.87 ==> 87% faster.

And yes 100% faster is zero time. 600% faster is -1930sec (-32.2min train time).

Conclusion

French is a very week without that combo and Overpowered with that combo.

Solution

Redgar's suggestion of french nation power from 20% to 30% or 35%

 

[MadFury]

I don't know why I bother. It really is to much to argue with an idiot. He's adding that 20% as if it was compounding interest, which it's not. But I realize I'm dealing with children most of the time and his high school math isn't cutting it. Which is funny because this is elementary math we're dealing with.

 

[MadFury]

Your right in that the muggers are not exact since they seem to round. And it may feel like it's to much for you but that was built in as intended. What's funny is that when the training blessing was at 88% the French had a 15% bonus. Which I'm frankly scared to tell you how fast the build time were then. As these fools will say it was like 1000%.

 

[MadFury]

Not really. It's the training blessing that's getting nerfed unfortunately.

 

[MadFury]

Not really. It's the training blessing that's getting nerfed unfortunately.

 

[MadFury]

I'm afraid you have the right to be wrong. It is 97% quicker and for once I can tell you that you can ask the developers. As it's been confirmed time and time again when people have e-mailed support. As for dublaski or whatever his name is. I've glad I can say he is indeed wrong.

 

[atramar]

saying that build time is '600% faster' is a figure of speech. as incorrect from mathematical point of view, still doesn't change the fact that train time during TB being cut down 6:1 (more or less, it's not my job to be accurate on game forum and it doesn't matter if it would be 5:1 or 7:1) was OP. turning cat around and arguing over seconds or some ones grammar won't change it.
intended or not, it still is OP, like it or not.

 

[Porcupine]

Dear MadFury

Once again you're wrong my friend. 97% quicker than the original time without french power and TB.

The comparison done by me including the following:

• 386 - 50 = 336
• 336 / 386 = 0.87 ==> 87% faster.

Is to compare the train time ON TB with french to other nations ON TB.

In other words:

The TB of any other nation is 77% faster than the original train time.
The TB of French nation is 97% faster than the original train time of any other nation without TB
The TB of the French nation is 87% faster than the TB of any other nation.

 

[Porcupine]

I see we've got a 'Wrongception' here. Check my next comment to know why you're wrong about me being wrong.