Question: Germans +15% and planes / French with TB effect

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Hello all, just a quick question as I have not been able to find it, does the +15% of Germans bonus apply to aircraft as well? Factory units I imagine yes, but aircraft? And what about generals and mercenaries?

I think they are far OP if it does (compare for example against Romans), but I just want to be sure...

Also, I read something about French with TB miscalculation? I mean, how is that? What's the effect of French with a TB?

I assumed TB makes x3 faster, an artillery will take ~5 minutes to build, then French nation bonus, will make it to 4 minutes? Is that?

Thanks, I'm just thinking what civ I'm changing to.

 

[Quovatis]

I asked cs about the German bonus applying to aircraft. They said it did not. However, in game it says it does (shows on airstrip) and they get the bonus icon when deployed. So don't know which is correct

 

[Danix den Andre]

French with TB means Trainingtime*(1-0.86) which will be mor like 2min for artillery

 

[maggiepie]

Yes (2.24min)

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Do you know if that is something they plan to change? Don't feel like paying 1000 crowns, probably even expending real money, for getting French nerfed in a short time? They refused to tell me at customer service... Thanks.

 

[Quang t legend]

It is good enough to change now if you are acitve. When previous the French had only 1 minute to train the whole army, I switch to them and may be get the cost covered in just 1 day!

 

[Laughingor]

Currently I am Chinese, I wanna to change to German or Roman.
I thought the German will be a good choice? What you think? and what you are now? Thx!

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Laughingor , DON'T CHANGE TO ROMANS. I was also Chinese like you, and changed to Romans (my first 600 crown change), and I regret it.

First of all, they aren't that bad of a civ, I don't know what age you are currently at, but here at Industrial Age, I miss them so much... Training times really huge, an extra citizen is very useful. And since your UU is good, I did not find that much difference between a Roman army vs a Chinese one. If you are an active player and you are going to have always resources, you are gonna apreciate that extra cit.

Then if you are already maxed o near maxed, Germans are way better than Romans imho currently. 15% vs 10%, and seems the German bonus applies to planes as well... Also French is an option then.

Hope I helped, thanks.

 

[Laughingor]

Laughingor , DON'T CHANGE TO ROMANS. I was also Chinese like you, and changed to Romans (my first 600 crown change), and I regret it.

First of all, they aren't that bad of a civ, I don't know what age you are currently at, but here at Industrial Age, I miss them so much... Training times really huge, an extra citizen is very useful. And since your UU is good, I did not find that much difference between a Roman army vs a Chinese one. If you are an active player and you are going to have always resources, you are gonna apreciate that extra cit.

Then if you are already maxed o near maxed, Germans are way better than Romans imho currently. 15% vs 10%, and seems the German bonus applies to planes as well... Also French is an option then.

Hope I helped, thanks.

Well! Thx you for the reply.
I am at late gunpowder now. I just change to German. I have a same thought as you for the 15%extra attack is way better.
Perhaps I will miss the extra citizens, but I have more fun at attacking site now. Enjoy the game!

 

[Pharon]

I think for war, Germans, Koreans, and Brits are best. Germans get 15% attack boost, Koreans get 40% rifle boost and extra tactic, Brits get +1 range boost on rifles. But if you're a heavy tank guy, Romans is interesting because that's the only nation that can bring 6 (plus 1 alliance donation) to a battle. And if you have Brandenburg Gate, that's another 20% boost.

French is great if you like to do a lot of multi-player attacking, but way down the list for best war nation.

 

[Laughingor]

Aitor-NationsLeague . I think Roman will be also a good choice, especially at later age. The biggest the army you have, mean more attack plus the UU has more health.

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

I think for war, Germans, Koreans, and Brits are best. Germans get 15% attack boost, Koreans get 40% rifle boost and extra tactic, Brits get +1 range boost on rifles. But if you're a heavy tank guy, Romans is interesting because that's the only nation that can bring 6 (plus 1 alliance donation) to a battle. And if you have Brandenburg Gate, that's another 20% boost.

French is great if you like to do a lot of multi-player attacking, but way down the list for best war nation.

I agree with you in that top 3 and that order. French aren't useless also in war, for defense they are probably the best deffense civilization, +6 troops space can mean earlier artilleries possible for defending, I don't think they are useless in world war...

About Heavy Tanks I agree, you can specialise your Roman in that, but means having to have Brandenburg Gate, too specific compared to Statue of Liberty or Kremlim, and I still see thanks better in Germans, +15% attack. And anyways, if a 6(7) heavy attack only a viable choice? Never seen.

Laughingor, I think you made a great choice with Germans, hope you enjoy. And yes I know infantry Roman is better, but you will find that at the two later ages, you really don't use Infantry too much...

You'll see you'll be at some point in my situation ahah, and really start considering French lol. But yes in GP they aren't that good yet.

 

[Pharon]

I agree with you in that top 3 and that order. French aren't useless also in war, for defense they are probably the best deffense civilization, +6 troops space can mean earlier artilleries possible for defending, I don't think they are useless in world war...

Agreed, they're not useless, but I do feel hamstrung with them when trying to deal with tough WW opponents (yes, I'm French also) - can't help but think what I'd be able to do with any of the top 3 instead...

About Heavy Tanks I agree, you can specialize your Roman in that, but means having to have Brandenburg Gate, too specific compared to Statue of Liberty or Kremlim, and I still see thanks better in Germans, +15% attack

Germans still get +15% attack, and an additional +20% attack with Gate - not sure what you mean by this. To me, having Blitz is worth more than +20% attack you get for planes/zep, but I think either is a great choice. I wouldn't consider Kremlin - I think the other two are far better choices. Most IA armies rely heavily on rifles and artillery, so walls aren't super important.

And anyways, if a 6(7) heavy attack only a viable choice? Never seen.

Oh yes, it's viable. And impressive as hell when done correctly.

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Agreed, they're not useless, but I do feel hamstrung with them when trying to deal with tough WW opponents (yes, I'm French also) - can't help but think what I'd be able to do with any of the top 3 instead...



Germans still get +15% attack, and an additional +20% attack with Gate - not sure what you mean by this. To me, having Blitz is worth more than +20% attack you get for planes/zep, but I think either is a great choice. I wouldn't consider Kremlin - I think the other two are far better choices. Most IA armies rely heavily on rifles and artillery, so walls aren't super important.



Oh yes, it's viable. And impressive as hell when done correctly.

How do you do it then? Need Tank level 2? Planes? And what kind of lvl of bases do you attack and how much is the risk of failure¿?

Thanks.

 

[Quang t legend]

I think Roman will be also a good choice, especially at later age. The biggest the army you have, mean more attack plus the UU has more health.

Roman is not that big compare to France+Alliance troops. Only about 6 different! The UU infantry is useless, too many defense building against them. In higher Age we only use shooter+artillery+healer+tank.
I think German for the pro, they need well strategy. The British is easiest for newbie, just build 100 British shooters and shoot everything, only the catapults can shoot back! And you get extra loot. You also survive the battle and building time for shooter is less.

I am French, half training time. UU tank is never obsolete! Do more battle and donating. In my alliance I donate a lot of artillery and tank, Now I am at 3000 troop donating and still count 6 days more!

 

[Pharon]

How do you do it then? Need Tank level 2? Planes? And what kind of lvl of bases do you attack and how much is the risk of failure¿?

Thanks.

Actually, I haven't done it - people in my alliance have. It requires paying special attention to anti-tank guns and using tactics and planes effectively. Not easy. Takes much skill.

 

[Quang t legend]

How do you do it then? Need Tank level 2? Planes? And what kind of lvl of bases do you attack and how much is the risk of failure¿?

Thanks.

Some people attack using all Heavy tanks. The must is Splash damage from Library. And you should choose the bases with weak anti tank. I guess it work very best against Enlightenment bases. Factory units don't work with armor and sword blessing.

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Some people attack using all Heavy tanks. The must is Splash damage from Library. And you should choose the bases with weak anti tank. I guess it work very best against Enlightenment bases. Factory units don't work with armor and sword blessing.

Really no blessing forma factor y units ? Wow thats actualmente a huge dissapointment indeed, didnt know...

 

[Zodiac]

French is easily a top contender in Wars if you consider your defense as well as your offense when making your decision. The alliance gate bonus is way more than a novelty.

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

French is easily a top contender in Wars if you consider your defense as well as your offense when making your decision. The alliance gate bonus is way more than a novelty.

I think so, but I think it's already a bit late to change? I mean I'm close to gather the 1000 crowns necessary, but I feel like a big update is close, and that a nerf for French is really on the table?