Riders everywhere. Not funny anymore, I'm gonna quit if it keeps going on like that

[Riccardo]

What kind of game is it? Too much power to those units! That is the ruin of this game. Some screenshots for example. I have bunch of them.

 

[Veldan]

Eh, it's pretty easy to protect a base against raider troops... if you're getting hit by horses / motorcycles all the time, learn to build a better base layout. Put your storages behind walls (and not just one wall around everything) and protect them with traps and defense buildings.

 

[Riccardo]

Which is exactly what I do. I am 194 lv, leader my alliance, I've been playing this game since it appeared on applestore, I know how things work. But since they just need one protect, few troops to brick walls, few riders to get inside easily, even if U have layout as U say and as I have, it doesnt work anyway. No pace treaty applied, means a lot of attacks in row.

 

[JuDomines]

Raiders mechanic is the stupidest thing in this game. Not only it requires no skill to execute, but the defender is not even getting a peace treaty. They Should implement a no star, no loot rule.

 

[Riccardo]

Finally someone who says that! Am I the only one really fed up with them?? Something should be done! But I don't know how to make this topic be seen by someone who really can do something

 

[Kaiser Shag]

I'm attacking like this using engineers and motorcycles
In fact at the beginning I played for medals, I went up to 2800, but it took far to much time to stay there, at this level you win 1 medal per attack but you can loose sometimes up to 30 by being attacked once (that's total bullsh*t by the way), it takes a long time only to recover the looses of medals. So instead of becoming a no-life by winning ressources using the victory bonus, I decided not to take care any more of the medals and went down to 700-800, the bonus is negligible but using motorcycles and engineers you can loot so much more ressources ! And with buildings which cost up to 9M (or over 200k oil) I need this ressources.
Also I have the french nation (-20% training time), and I use the blessing very often so that this kind of army can be reformed in less than 5 minutes.
But at least I'm a fair player, if you offer me your town center I will take it and you get a peace treaty, if you protect it then you will loose ressources and you will not get a peace treaty.

 

[Riccardo]

Eheh at least a sincere guy
I know how U feel, being forced to play like the others with riders and eng. but sincerely, wouldnt it more exciting to play with a real army? Different troops and not only two of them?
I dont blame U for your choice, I just hope I will not be forced to do the same! The game would be more interesting if everyone tries the best army of its own nation.

 

[Kaiser Shag]

Eheh at least a sincere guy
I know how U feel, being forced to play like the others with riders and eng. but sincerely, wouldnt it more exciting to play with a real army? Different troops and not only two of them?
I dont blame U for your choice, I just hope I will not be forced to do the same! The game would be more interesting if everyone tries the best army of its own nation.

I agree but here is the problem : when I use my real army (the one I use in wars for example with howitzers, tanks etc.), I need to take down all the defenses and in best case the entire enemy base. If I fail I loose all my units and have to reform all of it and reforming a real army with tanks and howitzers takes more time than just motorcycles, special forces etc.
Also, to correctly take down a base like I do in WW, I need tactics but these tactics are far too long to reform even with the (expensive) blessing. With the rider army I don't need blessings (maybe 1 sabotage when I do it on big nuclear age bases) and thus I don't have to loose time waiting for these. Another point are the planes, they are also long to reform and they cost oil, and a normal army with howitzers needs them for protection. So, considering tactics and planes, it's faster and low cost to get ressources using motorcycles/raiders.

 

[Riccardo]

Nothing to say, you have been right all along. That's the reason why the game is being changing like that with raiders everywhere. I suppose something should be done in no time. I am forced to attack only abandoned villages or the ones with defences too far from real age they belong to, if I want to actually gain something from attacks. That's really sad.

 

[Kaiser Shag]

I'd like to add that it is possible to protect yourself against these type of attacks (even if not against all). For example the bases which are the most difficult for me with this method are not those with many layers of walls, that's not a problem with my 10 engineers (maxed global age), it's those which have many traps very well placed or which hide a hole in the wall using the colosseum for example. Because when you do this and rally on the raffinery for example the engineers will take the path with less walls through the hidden hole where of course the guy placed a lot of traps.
Well of course when you are an experienced raider you know how to manage even this kind of base (directly rally on the wall you want to breach and don't drop all the enginneers at the same time or they will all die because of a single mine, so wait for 1-2 second between engineers drop) but with this method you can eliminate all the "noob" raiders. So the most difficult bases for me are the "open wall bases" with 3 layers of "open walls" where you can theoretically get to the ressources without destroying any wall (but you die in the traps) but where you have to explode walls using targeted rallying on walls, but as rallying takes time to reload you will have to choose which ressource you take for the final assault with motocycles.
Even if it looks like a noob or coward method, they are some things to know if you want to loot effectively every base you encounter with it, but the most interesting attacks are of course WW attacks with a real army where I can use my HT mk3, my mk6 planes and my howitzers

 

[Riccardo]

Ahah thanks mate! U answered urself at the end with what it would be better but thanks anyway for ur tips.
Actually that is the direction I'm following to deal with this issue, the biggest problem is that traps costs a loto to be charged and it works just the first shoot! Once the first player crosses for the first time my traps, the game is done, and everything is for free considering no peace treaty

 

[Thiago]

I do not particularly care about how the guys attack. Everyone has the right to attack with whatever troop they want. However, the attack with engineers and raiders are extremely annoying because they did not activate peace treaty.

As an attacker I do not like using those troops. I always attack with tanks, artillery and infantry. But it is also disheartening, as it can happen that you can not succeed in the attack or lose most of the troops. When this happens I lose 200k of resources to replenish troops beyond the high waiting time. If I get 400,000 loot and use 200,000 to replenish troops, it's very disheartening.

So by that I mean that I have no problem with what each one uses to attack, but rather I understand the choice of people for this type of troop, which costs little and trains faster. However, at least one peace treaty should be granted after losing significant amounts of resources.

 

[Riccardo]

I totally agree with you, if the game leaves to those troops that kind of power is right to take advantages od that. But it would help a lot, really, if after losing too much resources a peace treaty appears.
Hope something will change..

 

[Brand Marrow]

to avoid strings of raider attacks put your TC way out in the open and go up to higher medal levels, almost no raids once you get close to 2000

 

[Riccardo]

This is something I havent tried, thanks Brand, I'm gonna check it out!

 

[Empire]

Well, I am going to say I have started using raider armies for looting and I'm quite liking it. Yes, I used to scoff at it and get annoyed with those attacks. Yes, it is boring and a brainless grind. But for me it accomplishes the purpose: to loot with minimum troop losses to reduce retrain costs and time.

 

[Empire]

When this happens I lose 200k of resources to replenish troops beyond the high waiting time. If I get 400,000 loot and use 200,000 to replenish troops, it's very disheartening.

This is exactly why I started using raider armies for looting. The AI of howitzers is extremely dumb and I hate losing them for no fault of mine.

 

[Kaiser Shag]

So, a solution would be to reduce costs and training time of tanks, howitzers, planes and tactics to make players use them more often.
Knowing that this would probably never happen, I will continue with raiders (or has somebody another solution to get efficiently 9M gold/food or over 200k oil ?)

 

[Riccardo]

Right now there is no other solution, sadly. But it is scary opening up dominations and find out 4 or 5 players, each one with his army of engineers and riders, have stolen u more than 1.5 milion of food or gold, without considering oil.. till 4 or 5k each time. This happens without peace treaty. Is that fair?

 

[Kaiser Shag]

Another comment : yesterday I was farming national trade goods for the coalitions and for this I used 4 HT mk3, 4 howitzers and 4 planes mk6 and to farm effectively I attacked low levels between lvl 70 and 120 (I'm 190 and yes I might be an *sshole). Regarding what was said above, for me it's much more unfair regarding the poor little players I was killing without effort and losses (= 0s training time) than plundering high level players using a raider army, at least those guys have the same level than I have.
Both methods are "unfair" but represent an easy way to loot ressources (national trade goods, diamonds and gold/food with the first one, oil for the second one because low level players don't have much oil to plunder).
So even if it's not fun for the attacked player in both cases, I think it's really part of the game and from my point of view it's far more unfair for the little players which have absolutely no chance than for the big players being attacked by a raider army. Personnaly even if I don't like raider army attacking myself, what makes me the most angry is when a lvl 220 nuclear age player is destroying entirely my base without much effort (even if it gives me a peace treaty).