Strike fighter's cost

[Imaera]

I went atomic with the rush and today i started upgrading the fighters.
According to Nexon's own rules all buffs an discounts should be cumulative, applied to the base stats.
In this case the base cost for strike fighter is 200k, that should be 75% discounted (50% age rush discount + 25% Amelia). The end cost would have been 50k.
Instead they applied first the 50% age rush discount which lowered the cost to 100k, then they applied the 25% Amelia discount ending up with a 75k final upgrade cost.
So buffs and discounts are only cumulative when it suits Nexon's economy.

 

[LordJestix]

This is how it has always worked that i have ever seen when applying researched cost reduction to an event.

Event discounts are not additive to your research discounts. The event discounts reduce "YOUR" normal cost not base cost. If it only cost you 150k oil because of a researched 25% discount then you will only get 50% off of that total. Works exactly the same with walls and building upgrades.

 

[yemen]

Your discount is applied on whatever the cost is at the moment - if you have 25% discount on 200k, it costs 150k. If the current cost is 100k, 25% discount means 75k. Predictable and internally consistent, this is how it is every time.

 

[Imaera]

You have two discounts, not just one. 50% age rush discount and 25% Amelia discount.
The price is 200k, the discount should be 75%, as they previously stated that the discounts and buffs are cumulated and applied to the base.

 

[LordJestix]

You have two discounts, not just one. 50% age rush discount and 25% Amelia discount.
The price is 200k, the discount should be 75%, as they previously stated that the discounts and buffs are cumulated and applied to the base.

When and where did they state that?

 

[Imaera]

There was a topic in which it was explained how the buffs and discounts are applied. One of the moderators stated that they are all applied to the base stats. I can not remember which topic, or when it was opened. But i'm sure i'm not the only one who red it.

 

[RottPhiler]

That's not how it works. Everyone else is right. I think you're referring to the Versailles + Acropolis health buff which indeed accumulates. Discounts have always been applied separately.

 

[Imaera]

I can see that. Not only with the planes, buildings too. I'm just saying it's not right.
BTW, i didn't know Versaills buffs also the defenders health, i thought it works only for attacking troops. Thanks for the info.

 

[Manifesto]

Imaera , what people are saying IS right. Your base cost is now 25% less than the original base cost. This is your new base cost for all time.
Whatever discount that comes afterward, Summer Rush, plane discount, armory discount, whatever, will be applied to your new base cost.

 

[Imaera]

I give up ) I will blame my english for not being able to make myself understood. But here's an exercise:
Base stats for green jacket rifleman:

My final stats after all the buffs:

My buffs for HP:
LIbrary standing army 10%
Sejong 30%
Versailles 11%

Buffs for attack
Library cast iron 10%
Library standing army 10%
Sejong 30%
I don't think i forgot something. See if you get to the same result as Nexon, using your method.

 

[LordJestix]

You just disproved your argument.

Lets look at the DPS buff. Base stat is 50 dps.

Your total buffs are 10, 10, and 30%.

If you combined them as you are wanting the total buff would be +50%
50% of 50 is 25, thus dps would be 75.

But if we treat it like discounts:

50*1.1 = 55
55=1.1 = 60.5
60.5*1.3 = 78.65

Hey what would you know they work exactly the same. One discount or buff is applied, then the next and so on.

 

[Imaera]

So i think i proved my argument )
Buffs are not cumulated and then applied to the base stats, as they said they should be!

 

[LordJestix]

So i think i proved my argument )
Buffs are not cumulated and then applied to the base stats, as they said they should be!

you didnt prove anything. I have seen no evidence of your claims they made these statements. Everything i do see however is consistence in how discounts/buffs are applied across the board.

 

[Imaera]

Yeah, i'm sorry i can't find that topic. I searched for it. I can find topics in which people keep saying that all buffs are applied to the base stats, all together, not sequentially, so i'm not dreaming, that info was here. Can't prove it though. )

Later edit:
Found it: https://forum.nexonm.com/forum/nexo...ses-not-applying-properly?p=593819#post593819

 

[Mountainking]

Buffs are applied on base stats. Works on everything, units, spells and whatever you want. Has always been like this

 

[LordJestix]

Yeah, i'm sorry i can't find that topic. I searched for it. I can find topics in which people keep saying that all buffs are applied to the base stats, all together, not sequentially, so i'm not dreaming, that info was here. Can't prove it though. )

Later edit:
Found it: https://forum.nexonm.com/forum/nexon...819#post593819

Thank you for finding this.

TinSoldier can you please explain why your post and calculation is inconstant with how the game is currently calculating buffs/discounts and how ive always seen them calculated.

You show that it is calculated as Total = Base Stats * (Buff A + Buff B + Buff C...) : 22479 * (1.1+1.18+1.22) = 33718.5

Everything i have ever seen it is actually calculated as Total = (((Base Stats * Buff A) * Buff B) * Buff C)... (((22479*1.1)*1.18)*1.22) = 35596.85

If you look at my posts above and compare with the screen shots in above post, they reflect the calculation i show and not the calculation you posted in the linked forum topic.

 

[TizzZeus]

Hey everyone, I just started SF mk6, and yes I have Amelia discounts as well, and the total cost is 93.5k oil. Hope this info helps!

 

[Imaera]

The Heavy Bomber Mk6 has 22,479 DPS

Avation (+10%) would grant you: +2,247 DPS
+18% University Damage upgrade would be: +4,048 DPS
Statue of Liberty (+22%) would provide: +4,945 DPS

The grand total for your Heavy Bomber Mk6 with Library, University, and Statue of Liberty bonus would be: 33,719 DPS

So now, following the above logic..
Strike fighter base cost is 200k
Atomic rush(-50%) gives less 100k
Amelia(-25%) is another less 50k
Final cost shouldn't be 50k?
It was 75k.

 

[TinSoldier]

Happy to!

We'll look at it both ways: Discounts for Purchases, and Buffs to Troops.

Discounts for Purchases
Summer for the Ages discount: 50%
Amelia Earhart's research bonus: 25%

To do our system-wide discounts, we temporarily change the base cost. Amelia never sees the original cost of 200k oil, she now only sees the 100k oil costs. She applies her 20% influence over the system, and shows you the new cost of 75k.

Buffs to Troops
Green Jacket Riflemen base stats:
Hitpoints: 360
DPS: 52

Every individual bonus that's applied to your units is applied to these base stats. So, it doesn't matter where they get a +10% bonus, it will always provide a 10% bonus to the base stats (+36 HP and +5 DPS in this example)

If we applied the listed bonuses

My buffs for HP:
Library standing army 10% (+36 HP)
Sejong 30% (+108 HP)
Versailles 11% (+ ~40 HP)

Buffs for attack
Library cast iron 10% (+ ~5 DPS)
Library standing army 10% (+ ~5 DPS)
Sejong 30% (+ ~16 DPS)​

We'd expect the stats to be:
Hitpoints: 544
DPS: 78

and that's what we see in Imaera's screenshot!

Hope that helps!

 

[LordJestix]

Happy to!


Buffs for attack
Library cast iron 10% (+ ~5 DPS)
Library standing army 10% (+ ~5 DPS)
Sejong 30% (+ ~16 DPS)[/I][/INDENT]

We'd expect the stats to be:
DPS: 78

and that's what we see in Imaera's screenshot!

Hope that helps!

I dont follow. your 30% calc isnt correct as 30% of 50 = 15 not ~16 and 50+5+5+16 does not equal 78, it equals 76.

Base Stat	Cast Iron	Standing Army	Sejong	Total Buff	Base plus Buff
50	10%	10%	30%
	5	5	15	25	75

BUT if we do (((50*1.1)*1.1)*1.3) we get what the screen shot shows of 78.65 rounded down.

DPS can never equal 78 with your example