Training Blessing on air units could mean french get to train them instantly!

[NoMem Wilson]

If you take into account french nation's power of 20% faster training, then you add pentagon which makes it 40% faster planes, planes in 18 minutes, bombers and transport in 38 minutes. This proposal of adding the 66% faster training to air also would give the french 106% faster training time which is instant air units! Everyone that liked or agreed with that petition does not think things through and really believe everyone is british, as i am french with pentagon i whole heartedly support that idea. Please give me instant air units. And thank you for supporting such a wonderful idea

 

[Gargantuar]

And why do you think French nation bonus of 20% would apply to air units ? Revolution button says 20% faster train time to your army and increase army size by 3% . My belief is that dominations considers only barracks ( and now factory) troops as army . So the new blessing would work equally tfor all nations as air units will not be considered army.

Probably you overthought. Things might be simpler.

 

[Butcherer]

This is not how maths works. Say you have a train time of 1h and the French power applies this reduces the train time to 48m. Then you take 40% off for pentagon influence that's 40% off 48m = 28.8m.

Then you take 66% off for the training blessing, that's 66% off 28.8m = 9.5m.

Not instant but not bad.

 

[Radzeer]

But not in Nexons's world. They add up all reductions in training time and then apply it to the base training time (BT).
So if you have reductions in training time for whatever reasons in the height of 20% and 60% then the final training time will be:
BT x (1-0.2-0.6) i.e. BT x 0.2
and not BT x (1-0.2) x (1-0.6).

So in our case it would be:
BT x (1 - 0.2(French)-0.2(Pentagon)- 0.66(TrainingBlessing))=BT x (1 - 1.06) i.e negative

 

[Jedi Kurt]

I agree with Radzeer thas how reduction is calculated and buffs. there's always a base time/dmg/hp even spawn time is like that based on my observations

 

[Master Contrail Program]

So the alternative is to keep the nonsense we have now where an entire French army can be trained in 9 minutes but your air force takes 75-120 minutes, rendering a training blessing practically worthless? If they can put factory troops on the blessing they can put airstrip troops on it.

Even non-French get an entire army in the time it takes to train one fighter. This is absurd on many levels.

 

[kal-el]

when i was french a few months ago the French could train air units faster as well. I would get planes in about 24 min as opposed to 30 min...

 

[Green Bird]

I do not quite understand where the original poster is coming from. A French player can train howitzers in about two minutes with training blessing. A plane trains roughly twice as long as a howitzer, thus would be about 4 minutes with the blessing. This is hardly instant by any stretch of imagination and perhaps even not fast enough given how easy the planes die.

Whether a player has decided to build a pentagon or not is an entirely different matter and should not affect the debate of planes' inclusion under the training blessing power, in my view.

 

[Blackfish]

And why do you think French nation bonus of 20% would apply to air units ? Revolution button says 20% faster train time to your army and increase army size by 3% . My belief is that dominations considers only barracks ( and now factory) troops as army . So the new blessing would work equally tfor all nations as air units will not be considered army.

Probably you overthought. Things might be simpler.

U wrong here buddy..actually it does..

 

[Green Bird]

The French training bonus does indeed apply to all troops this including Airstrip, factory, and barracks. In contrast to an earlier post, though, the French do not enjoy a 3% army increase. They have +3 troop spaces at their alliance gate but it is clearly not the same.

 

[Motaz Tarek]

they deserve to have their air units trained relatively quick, if ur on TB and loss 2+ planes u either crown them or lose ur TB waiting for them to train
honestly if i am a french i would be so pissed off and if their bonus + pentagon bonus would make them train it instantly at least make the TB bonus to planes 55% not 66%

a french nation player with pentagon deserve his planes to get trained much faster, he dedicated a nation + a wonder choices for it, while other players enjoy the benefits of other nations and wonders

 

[NoMem Wilson]

Because it does. Minus 20% for french plus minus 20% for pentagon means 40% faster planes which is 18 mi utes for max planes

 

[NoMem Wilson]

Because it does. Minus 20% for french plus minus 20% for pentagon means 40% faster planes which is 18 mi utes for max planes

 

[NoMem Wilson]

Sorry, but the add the percents together then add or subtract. During a training blessing i train troops 86% faster than any other nation not under blessing. Check with your french to see.

 

[NoMem Wilson]

If you add training blessing to air units, a french with pentagon which trains air 40% faster can then train them 106% faster which is instant air

 

[NoMem Wilson]

If you add training blessing to air units, a french with pentagon which trains air 40% faster can then train them 106% faster which is instant air

 

[Tsamu]

What does it matter if the French can train planes instantly? You still have to wait for your other troops to retrain. Unless you are doing aircraft only attacks

 

[Green Bird]

It will not be instant, cannot be, much as I personally would like it to be. The buffs are not applied to previously buffed stats but to base stats. So, without pentagon, a French plane with training blessing would take about 4 minutes to train. Pentagon will reduce this to perhaps 2 minutes something but still not instant. These are my empirical observations, yet I am confident that someone with correct math can support this hypothesis.

 

[Imaera]

Plane base training time is 30 mins. French nation trains them 20% faster, so 6 mins less.
20% from pentagon, means another 6 mins less.
66% from training blessing = 19.8 mins.
19.8+6+6=31.8
That would mean instant.
But the blessing for air troops doesn't have to be 66%. I would be happy with 40-50%.

 

[Green Bird]

I see! Yes, I can see clearly now the original logic, thank you.

That said, what if the game discounts time and resources from what they are set to at the moment? For example, if you had started an upgrade before a discount event but cancelled it during the discount event, you would get half of its discounted value, not what you had actually paid for it prior to the event.

By the same token, could it be that the blessing sets up the game so that it thinks that the time to train is in fact the 'blessed' time, and so pentagon would take 20% off this new time value thus giving the French the 2+ minutes I spoke about earlier?

The only way to find out is to support the campaign for inclusion of the Airstrip troops under the training blessing. Please do!