War Matchmaking: The Best Teams Should Be Open to Competing Against Anyone

[wmmumm]

A leaderboard is meant to rank who is actually best. The proposed WW Leadboard falls short of this, due to matchmaking being based on a teams upgrade level.

The simple fact that there is even a chance that low level alliances have an opportunity to be on top of the leaderboard, yet are shielded from warring against higher level teams makes the proposed leaderboard flawed.

There is no reason to "wait and see" how the leaderboard plays out when the logic doesn't make sense from the beginning. Smart teams will find a way to game the system and the leaderboard will not be a true representation of the who is actually best.

The "Best" teams should be open to warring against any and all teams, not simply those that are similar in upgrade level.

As an example, you would never call a basketball team that has only players 5'6" and shorter, and only plays against other teams w/ players 5'6" and shorter the best basketball team in the world. There is a chance they could be the best team, but they'd have to actually compete against teams with players of any height in order to prove it.

If the goal of the new leaderboard is to give exposure to teams of all levels, there are better ways to do so. One way is to have different leagues (e.g. You could have a league for medieval age and below players only).

The current proposed system instead chooses to lump all teams together and limits who you can war against. That's not a leaderboard.

 

[_Flash_]

Don't we already have an ongoing discussion about the proposed WW leaderboad on the Design Spotlight thread?
Is there a need for another separate thread?
There was a similar attempt at starting a separate thread, and Nb4powerup had requested keeping the discussions on the ongoing thread, and had closed the additional thread.
https://forum.nexonm.com/forum/nexo...scussion-aa/533562-new-update-is-a-total-fail

 

[Atinyfish1386]

Don't we already have an ongoing discussion about the proposed WW leaderboad on the Design Spotlight thread?
Is there a need for another separate thread?
There was a similar attempt at starting a separate thread, and Nb4powerup had requested keeping the discussions on the ongoing thread, and had closed the additional thread.
https://forum.nexonm.com/forum/nexo...scussion-aa/533562-new-update-is-a-total-fail

When your facing the same 3 teams like we are every war then maybe it's time to change the system https://m.imgur.com/a/c8ZCn

 

[Hugh Jazz]

for a system that isn't even turned on yet there sure is a lot of crying foul ... just quit. there are thousands of other players to take your place. you won't be missed. in a month your name will be forgotten.

 

[redprince]

for a system that isn't even turned on yet there sure is a lot of crying foul ... just quit. there are thousands of other players to take your place. you won't be missed. in a month your name will be forgotten.

You sir, are a hero. Thank you, my sentiments exactly.

 

[Sletteer1987]

When your facing the same 3 teams like we are every war then maybe it's time to change the system https://m.imgur.com/a/c8ZCn

Maybe y'all should try some larger wars. Your team has plenty of players and it will give you guys more teams to play against . My team was having the same problem and we switched it up now we are getting different matchups

 

[dominations vin]

for a system that isn't even turned on yet there sure is a lot of crying foul ... just quit. there are thousands of other players to take your place. you won't be missed. in a month your name will be forgotten.

you guys are missing the point wmmumm is trying to make.

this forum has always been very bias towards a vocal minority of very active posters. these posters often seem to have a very keen interest in promoting any changes that may directly benefit them and their alliances, without much regard for overall fairness and how those changes affect other types of players.

if the proposed new leaderboard system seemed to be unfairly skewed towards alliances with many maxed-out obvious cheater bases or towards alliances with many classical and medieval age players that were very good at beating only other similarly-composed alliances then you'd be losing your goddamned minds (in way more than one thread).

to the (10) or so posters who make up >50% of the posts on this forum:
please try to be more cognizant of perspectives from different types of players. this starts with letting posters express opinions that are not 100% aligned with your own.

ultimately, everyone should want the same thing: a leaderboard system that accurately represents the most skilled players.

 

[ELITE JAG]

??? Why limit discussions to one thread?? This one had its own merits.

 

[ELITE JAG]

Very good points. Thanks Vin. We need more players like you and Wmmm to chime in more often!

 

[Fable]

Well put, that's 1 of the reasons why I was so critical in the main post, but it seems ppl like to [jump the gun] themselves.

 

[Fable]

Hugh Jazz

If u don't like it quit?
LOL, why is that the only response from ppl, well besides a personal att. that is? So many ppl c Red at others posts when all they r doing is disrespecting ppls opinions. Take that elementary remark and and at least come back with an associates response. U and a few others seem like you're used to having things your way, cool. I bet most of u don't even war, but u act like your opinions out weigh those of us who do.


@wmmumm

I agree 100%, but sadly it seems commonsense is not favored here. Your pts. r valid but too many [Anti jump the gun fanatics] would rather it play out how it was represented. To the [A.J.T.G.F.] u r right, but (getting back to my pt. on the original thread) it would be nice to have a DEV or whatever take time out of his/her busy schedule and have a Q & A to quash any misunderstanding. When it's implemented we r stuck with it. More clarification from...whoever has the answers certainly wouldn't hurt, well depending on who chirps back I guess it might.

X0)

 

[Fable]

This goes out to redprince & _Flash_ as well.


Riddle me this, what other updates that were implemented have not come across as is, meaning as it was pre-introduced like this latest? Back up your comments pls.

And redprince if Hugh Jazz is a hero for posting that...ouch.

 

[wmmumm]

In reply to certain posters above. Forums are meant to foster open and free discussions of key topics. The original post simply points what what a leaderboard is and what it is meant to achieve (to display the best teams in a ranking order, without any handicaps). It is a key topic that is separate from the actual update and deserves its own view. It just so happens that the proposed new WW leaderboard does not accomplish this.

It does not attack any specific player or type of player, unlike some disagreeing posters above. To those posters, it'd be great to hear a response as to what doesn't make sense in the original post, and why move forward at all with an update that doesn't accomplish what it is meant to... To display the best teams in a true leaderboard. If you're the best team, take on all challengers. Lets see who rises to the top.

 

[Ravenlord]

wmmumm - a couple of questions: do you play because you just like to play - or just like to be on top?

And regardless, why resent someone being on top of the leaderboard even if they aren't in one of the best alliances? Don't they deserve to be there if they have the necessary wins?? The leaderboard, as with anything, represents the most wins - its not always the best team. Is that perhaps what annoys you?

Also, your comment ''The "Best" teams should be open to warring against any and all teams, not simply those that are similar in upgrade level'' - are you saying you want to war against teams better than you or lower than you ..... ?

Sounds to me like your whole gripe is against lower ranked teams taking the spotlight. But that's just me .....

I don't know that much about wars but l agree with your comment that there should be a number of leagues/leaderboards - like the English Premier League soccer - where people can be the leader of their league of similarly skilled teams - would that be more to your liking ??

Although l disagree that different leagues would expose you to different players - how can it if they're stuck in a different league??

 

[Hugh Jazz]

Fable the game is broken .. everyone knows it .. but we all play by the same rules and have to deal with the same complications. you may view my remark as elementary but I would say the same thing to you by responding.

there is a book about a guy that just can't get over himself to eat ham and eggs with a green hue .. he cries and cries throughout the whole story saying how bad they must be but doesn't try them. When the story ends, our protagonist is professing how good those eggs and ham are. the moral is, don't complain about something that you haven't tried. who knows if it will be great or as broken as other features in the game.

the book is by Dr. Seuss and it is elementary level reading. By suggesting I am making elementary type posts, I can only garner that you mean educated and open minded ones.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

the proposed leaderboard has accomplished ... NOTHING .. it isn't even enabled yet. Im willing to see how it works before I pass judgement. and you are shedding tears over something that isn't even enabled. If you don't like how it works after a trial, by all means express your distaste then. right now you are stressing and worried about a theoretical slight to your alliance.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

I didn't miss any points. I just don't understand the sky is falling mentality over something that hasn't been enabled yet .. for all te original poster knows, his alliance will do very well in the leaderboard and all the crying will be in vain. or maybe he is right and that will lead to the eventual break up of the alliance because egos got in the way. all I am trying to say and do is defeat negative type thinking .. the game is broken but I still play and obviously so do many others knowing how broken it is.

I could rant and rave and complain all I want but nothing will change the way the designers do things. I am free to leave at any time as are all of the players that are unsatisfied. I would hope that after all the time you put into the game, one more broken feature isn't enough to send you packing .. if it is, so be it.

 

[Equal]

To be the best ally possible you have to beat the best ally's anyway. No matter what. If you are able to war 20-25 sized wars with the same amount of good strong players, why should you be ranked over 40-45 sized all equal level players alliance? We do 20-30 ww mostly and i have no camplains about this system. I understand that we ARE NOT 40-45 strong player deep and we weaker than other bigger alliances. Why so difficult to admint who are you??

 

[Fable]

Do u and redprince not realize (or r too proud to admit) that by u att. ppls opinions u brought my posts on u? If u don't like someone's posts ignore it! Don't b a hypocrite. And by holding hands your responses (defenses?) u highlight my pt.s even more. U guys CHOOSE to post your opinions based on other ppls (wait for it)...opinions. What's wrong here?

Open minded, lol? Dude pls stop contradicting yourself. Maybe u forget what u post..idk or maybe u like to argue. If u and red want to defend your pts. why choose to only go after a few who have posted negative opinions (darn that word again), why not go after all?

 

[BV123]

Totally agreed on the point why do we have to be so worked up on a system that has not even rolled out yet???

Also agreed that some comments need to be a little tactical. But they also have the right to their comments on the matter as the OP has.

My opinion on the leader board matter.......

​​​​​​Well... I don't give a rat's àss about the leader board actually. Lol.

At lease until they have it rolled out and tested anyway.