When “free” isn’t worth it.

Clown Control

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just my 2 cents, but my opinion is the council feature has been the biggest bust for free to play gamers. As in totally worthless. I don’t even bother collecting or cashing counselor packs, no point cashing hundreds of common cards to get even less common cards. At this point BHG would probably tempt me to spend money if they’d offer a block from getting any more of these garbage cards.
 

Spaceboy

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Agrée..useless building..i haven’t changed my councellors since 6 months!
 

King Crimson

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Agreed. Even though the museum has been out for a long time it's still giving decent artifacts that can make a difference to attacks - plus we have the option to upgrade them at our will. The museum is a pointless slot machine/roulette wheel gamble and, like all casinos, geared to favour the house.
Doubly frustrating for me is I've got several epic cards for War and I don't War. Very annoying!
 

oddin

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I don't find Council to be bad just needed a bit more polish . After all it is a free boost for all players. There are some flaws though...

- the game isn't balanced in the first place. So they are trying to find the sweet spot. They created many cards that buff barracks troops but very very few for HTs or Bombers or other factory troops. You can find though many lines for infantry, ranged siege or mortars.
- defensive lines are too few. Only 3 dedicated cards for defence.
- They realized that by doing the above, they made offence again too powerful for barracks troops, so their answer to this was Defensive library which all defenders liked a lot (myself included). It is a step in the right direction but it still leaves one thing outside of the equation...and this is LUCK!

No matter what you do...
- if you are a high level VIP, you will get more blue and purple cards
- if you are a new player you will have better odds at blue and purple cards
- if you are a high level drone player with a low VIP level then you are screwed. The system punishes you and you are not getting any blue/purple cards. I have 0 after all those months. This doesnt make any sense to me.

This great discrepancy between accounts is really bad and makes me somewhat bitter because it is clear that the odds are not the same for everyone and are tied to the VIP level. I thought the odds, would be the same for all.

In reality I have seen this thing happen for almost every aspect of the game.
- my high vip level account always gets a lot more three star artifacts than my other account in museum.
- we have seen cases where chests give artifacts with a 0.14% probability to the same player TWICE!! What's the odd of that???!!!
- also cases where chests give artifacts with a 1% probability TWICE (again to the same player)!!!
- players that have 4-6 purple cards in council but others have none after so many months... (some are not even getting blue ones, like myself)
- WW chests events with a 10% probability to get a legendary artifact.... I am getting none or maybe 1 and others get 5-10!!
 
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zeltum

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I don't find Council to be bad just needed a bit more polish . After all it is a free boost for all players. There are some flaws though...

- the game isn't balanced in the first place. So they are trying to find the sweet spot. They created many cards that buff barracks troops but very very few for HTs or Bombers or other factory troops. You can find though many lines for infantry, ranged siege or mortars.
- defensive lines are too few. Only 3 dedicated cards for defence.
- They realized that by doing the above, they made offence again too powerful for barracks troops, so their answer to this was Defensive library which all defenders liked a lot (myself included). It is a step in the right direction but it still leaves one thing outside of the equation...and this is LUCK!

No matter what you do...
- if you are a high level VIP, you will get more blue and purple cards
- if you are a new player you will have better odds at blue and purple cards
- if you are a high level drone player with a low VIP level then you are screwed. The system punishes you and you are not getting any blue/purple cards. I have 0 after all those months. This doesnt make any sense to me.

This great discrepancy between accounts is really bad and makes me somewhat bitter because it is clear that the odds are not the same for everyone and are tied to the VIP level. I thought the odds, would be the same for all.

In reality I have seen this thing happen for almost every aspect of the game.
- my high vip level account always gets a lot more three star artifacts than my other account in museum.
- we have seen cases where chests give artifacts with a 0.14% probability to the same player TWICE!! What's the odd of that???!!!
- also cases where chests give artifacts with a 1% probability TWICE (again to the same player)!!!
- players that have 4-6 purple cards in council but others have none after so many months... (some are not even getting blue ones, like myself)
- WW chests events with a 10% probability to get a legendary artifact.... I am getting none or maybe 1 and others get 5-10!!
Some interesting and accurate observations there.
This is the point where you get turned off the game because the variables are 'hidden' and your perception is that it 'isnt fair so why bother'. I think thats where a lot of us are and losing the will to play.
I cant be bothered with the daily videos because of the crashes and the absolutely useless troops. (They are useless to a 400+ player and anyone who says a firelance army is useful needs to readjust their life :))
Cant be bothered with any chests because the % is firstly misleading and secondly impossible. If you secretly get higher chances because of your spend ratio then that is wrong
Havent been to the museum, have nearly 1m fragments. There is basically nothing there that will give you 4/5 usuable lines.

Found myself returning too, and enjoying very much, Clash of Clans. Everything is equal. No purchased variables, everybody has the same opportunities and the same 'toys' and then its about skill.
 

Harlems369th

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I don't find Council to be bad just needed a bit more polish . After all it is a free boost for all players. There are some flaws though...

- the game isn't balanced in the first place. So they are trying to find the sweet spot. They created many cards that buff barracks troops but very very few for HTs or Bombers or other factory troops. You can find though many lines for infantry, ranged siege or mortars.
- defensive lines are too few. Only 3 dedicated cards for defence.
- They realized that by doing the above, they made offence again too powerful for barracks troops, so their answer to this was Defensive library which all defenders liked a lot (myself included). It is a step in the right direction but it still leaves one thing outside of the equation...and this is LUCK!

No matter what you do...
- if you are a high level VIP, you will get more blue and purple cards
- if you are a new player you will have better odds at blue and purple cards
- if you are a high level drone player with a low VIP level then you are screwed. The system punishes you and you are not getting any blue/purple cards. I have 0 after all those months. This doesnt make any sense to me.

This great discrepancy between accounts is really bad and makes me somewhat bitter because it is clear that the odds are not the same for everyone and are tied to the VIP level. I thought the odds, would be the same for all.

In reality I have seen this thing happen for almost every aspect of the game.
- my high vip level account always gets a lot more three star artifacts than my other account in museum.
- we have seen cases where chests give artifacts with a 0.14% probability to the same player TWICE!! What's the odd of that???!!!
- also cases where chests give artifacts with a 1% probability TWICE (again to the same player)!!!
- players that have 4-6 purple cards in council but others have none after so many months... (some are not even getting blue ones, like myself)
- WW chests events with a 10% probability to get a legendary artifact.... I am getting none or maybe 1 and others get 5-10!!
We're working on making additional improvements to the council experience, but I also wanted to address specifically this idea of "Higher VIP = better odds"

This is factually untrue, there is no increased draw rate for any level of VIP. We did an overall increase to draw rates from Councilor Packs a few months ago, and that impacted everyone.
 

SomeRandomPlayer

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The Council certainly isn't useless; and unlike Museum it's accessible to all Ages. Sure it's a grind, but at this point everyone should have all blues with some purples. This means decent increases in dmg/hp for most used troops, and better sabotage.

Even the 1* artifacts have an okay percentage now since they reworked those percentages a half a year ago or so. Say you get +10% dmg for a thing, that's like like an entire upgrade in the Armory (say, one that adds 5% hp 5% dmg) from a single councilor!

So, it's all about perspective. Fuse less often (after say compiling 200) to feel less grindy, perhaps.
 

King Crimson

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I also wanted to address specifically this idea of "Higher VIP = better odds"

This is factually untrue, there is no increased draw rate for any level of VIP.
Oh sure ..... the conspiracy theorists will say this is exactly what they were expecting you to say! 😄
 

oddin

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We're working on making additional improvements to the council experience, but I also wanted to address specifically this idea of "Higher VIP = better odds"

This is factually untrue, there is no increased draw rate for any level of VIP. We did an overall increase to draw rates from Councilor Packs a few months ago, and that impacted everyone.
What I wrote in my initial post is 100% true. Nothing is fictional. I do remember when you changed the odds but apart from a few days that things were indeed a bit better, the actual drop rate for blue/purple, that we experience, is worse than before.

I have seen way too many weird things in this game just to consider it bad or good luck.
 
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