Change the medal system

[Hunter Killer]

I know a lot of people who are fed up with the current medal system, me included. You play for hours grinding one medal at a time and as soon as you disconnect, you lose 30 medals. It's frustrating, especially when you only get match ups worth 1 medal for like 200 battles in a row.

I would suggest revisiting the whole medal ladder. It's fine to lose medals on defense, but not to the point where you feel like you have wasted the last 3 hours of your life. The set back should always make you feel like you can catch up again, just like with losing resources. Otherwise people will just quit playing.

The best way would probably be to extend the number of leagues and create new ones at 3800/4400/5000 medals etc... Increase the number of medal gains, reduce the number of medal lost. People will keep playing if they can see that they are progressing. If you can earn more than one medal per battle even if you move the top league requirement up, it'll still be more interesting.

It doesn't matter that the target is moving as long as people can see themselves moving up. This doesn't change the fact that the top players will still be at the top. However, it gives more room for other people to still climb without having the feeling of continuously being set back to where they were 3 hours before.

Most people don't care about medals but once all your workers are busy for weeks, there is really nothing else to do in this game.

The lost medals in defense plus the no target found at higher medal range means that people don't even want to try and hunt for medals anymore. They go from peace treaty to peace treaty, upgrading a building for a week, and eventually will give up playing the game. I'm very close to that point...

I'm going to do a last push to reach the empire league but afterwards, I'll probably let go. The current system is not really enticing to keep me wasting more time on it.

 

[firedancer]

I lose medals when I raid people but when I disconnect, I win 50-100 medals from people trying to raid my base. *LOL*

 

[Eddie F1]

Sounds like you are ~200 medals which is slightly off topic, but maybe that's the answer - drop medals, sod the Leagues and medal system and just have a bit of fun.

 

[Redgar]

Punishment for the loss in attack is a little bit too hard, especially when there is a won't fix exploit.

Also, 5-starring needs more guaranteed medals, 3-5 would be nice.

League rewards should depend more on stars.
and gold leagues need a buff.
That zone from 1200 medals to 2200 is kinda frustrating when the reward is low while you get all the **** of higher leagues. So a lot of players just stay low.

They need to give a slow progress to people who play 2 hours a day, so rebalance is more than welcome

 

[Hunter Killer]

After 2200 medals is not fun either. I'm close to 2600 and I have been playing like a robot since 1500 just to get the 1000 crowns. I will need to get myself a period of non-stop play of maybe 4 hours more to cross the empire league. If I try to play it casually half an hour or one hour at a time, I just lose all the medals I gained from a defense defeat as soon as I log off.

People in my alliance break their peace treaties at 3000 medals but can't find opponents. They gain like 5 medals an hour and lose 30 when they disconnect. So don't worry, you'll still be frustrated after 2200 medals, it only gets worse

I guess the key is to play several hours in a row always knowing you will lose 30 medals as soon as you log off. And still, this assumes you get targets to attack, which is not always the case.

 

[Hunter Killer]

But if the answer to the problem is to drop medals, then the medal system is broken because no one plays for medals anymore.

I've played at all medal ranges. I was at 200 medals like 2 weeks ago but got bored so started hunting for medals. Maybe I'm just bored of the game in general...

 

[Eddie F1]

The current system is not really enticing to keep me wasting more time on it.

Summed it up nicely there.

Once you decide to start climbing the greasy pole of medals and Leagues, the entire design is just a test of annoyance and frustration.

For a while having different reasons to battle was interesting, sometimes going for resources for the next upgrade, but when that's done and the workers are tied up for days on end, you go for collecting diamonds, medals or completing a Timed Quest or ticking off another Achievement.

Not near Empire yet, but this past week has been tedious with everything you say. Lots of battles for 1 medal only to lose them all+1 as soon as you log off - taken a week getting from 1790 to 1800 and what did I get for entering Gold 1 Leagues, a slap in the face with a wet fish - League bonus went from 12,000 to 15,000, whoop-do-fooking-do. League boat doesn't even have a guaranteed diamond - it arrived with same useless bits of fur and leather.

Just finished the IA upgrade so the Old Geezer box is full of "Build an airport","Upgrade oil", all of which is at least 3 weeks away, so no room for TQs (half of which are nigh on impossible, 35 tactics in 36 hours! - hire 45 merc armies? Gain 100 medals in 8 hours, LOL)

 

[Redgar]

Well, there is a fair chance you'll loose just one
But yea, I've got to 2400 now and I started having more 4-star full army attacks where I loose 7-15 medals.

Forbidden city or exposed TC may probably help, but there is no point to sit at the top all the time. I think I'll stop at 2600-2800. No opponents issue is not fun

 

[Redgar]

That's why 5-starring nations need 5 guaranteed medals, because France gives you 10-15 medals per training blessing, so even by this parameter it rocks

 

[Hunter Killer]

I would have been empire league today had I not lost 44 medals in 2 defenses...

I know what you are talking about. I get frustrated and I play French with training blessing always active as I can sustain it. I can't even imagine playing anymore if I had another nation and didn't have TB.

I ran out of quests to complete, it says "More coming soon" so I can't even try to hunt 50 bunnies in 2 hours .

 

[Hunter Killer]

Early IA is no fun either. You don't get to play with the new toys before building airstrip and upgrading blacksmith then researching. That's roughly 3 weeks away indeed. In the meantime, you don't get matches against gunpowders anymore so you're probably worse off in terms of easy wins for loot and medals.

I can't even think about how long it's going to take to upgrade things in global age so unless they fix the medal system, there will be absolutely nothing to do in the game for a month?

 

[Redgar]

Transition to new age is where devs need to make money for the new content so they frustrate users with hope they won't leave willing to try airplanes but building times are ridiculous, indeed. Thanks to France I could do it almost without crowns spent and I can say that I am already in 'comfort' zone since I finished barracks, raiders and tanks. I'd need months to even finish EA defence, not talking about IA, tho

 

[Eddie F1]

Switching to French may help, I'm still British but that just looks like a nerf-in-waiting and while it might fix a few things like being able to get more medals per 30 minute session, and with the speed you guys can climb medals, it looks like a massive advantage, I'm not going to go back to playing for 3-4 hour stretches.

Just had a PT run out so just attacked somebody with diamonds with the first army of the day and I yet again only got 1 fur (already maxed on them), then usually fire up the TB for the next 30 minutes - today, I just couldn't be bothered.

 

[Redgar]

Yeaterday I lost 4! Crystals on single defense lol ))) but really, I can't imagine how other nations climb up on medals through this dead zone... I even see plenty of greeks with 2400 medals. Aren't they eating or sleeping? They probably need twice more play time or tons of crowns if rome, which probably makes some use only when you get on the level of 3000+ where you have rare opponents.

 

[The Prince]

Hmm, seems like what above said, going into IA early is really no fun.

 

[Eddie F1]

Just got worse for me, had 4 diamonds left, last attacker just took 3 of them.

I don't know what Tim, Brian & John at BHG are doing all day, salivating over Sherman tanks and Spitfires probably, not playing the game that's for sure - there's no way an attacker should be able to take 75% of what you have.

When you stand back and look at this game it is a lot of work and is about 95% right. The remaining 5% is a steaming pile of poo with sloppy coding and game design, but it is that 5% that keeps people playing and parting with their money.

 

[Michael4262]

I agree that the medal system needs some work But it seems to be getting a little better a month back I got up to 2100 medals witch from 1500 medels seemed to take for ever 1 to 3 medels at a time then had a family problem and had to go off line for a week or so and went down to 1550 but decided to take i slow then I notice that that the wins was getting bigger not all but some I have gone up by 200 medals in 3 days now at 1750 not sure if its something that's been changed in the game or what but its kept me interested for now

 

[Hunter Killer]

Ok I finally managed to get to empire league but I'm not sure I want to keep doing this 1 medal grind until dynasty... The most frustrating part is I am never offered more than 1 medal to win. Yet somehow, someone else gets a match up worth 38 medals against me? And I am sure it's a one on one medal trade i.e. when I lose 38, someone else gains 38 and not just 1. I checked that with the people who attacked me.

So I would still favor adding new leagues and let people climb even if the mountain now gets higher. Getting pushed down is demotivating. Going up 100 medals a day, even if the top is at 10,000 medals still feels better. Or narrow the imbalance between potential medals won/lost. A 40 gap is probably too large.

 

[Redgar]

The most frustrating part is that it is about time you may invest now and much less skill, quite boring process. Also, the longer your session is, the better. You just can't climb up doing 1 combat and logging off, what is basically wrong. I wrote multiple times that 5-star win should give you more guaranteed minimum medals, 5 I think. Also, max loss should be at 10-15, not 39... What makes you playing an hour to get it back.

I also plan to stop at Empire, 140 more medals to go what should take me 3 days I think.

 

[dbukalski]

Medal system will be fixed when close app doesnt work. Right now theres nothing stopping the player base from shooting straight to 7k medals if they changed medal systwm. When u cant lose medals on attack they look for ways to get those medals back