Design Spotlight - WW Leaderboards and more!

[redprince]

I think the point most are trying to make is stop jumping the gun. Healthy criticism is a good thing, but lashing out before seeing the change, and what happens as a result, is not fair. We can theorize on what will happen based on our understanding but in the end it may play out one of a hundred different ways...so going on a rant before knowing what you are mad about is premature (put nicely). In other words...grow up you @#%#%^& baby (not nicely put).

 

[Fable]

I'd rather have the plaguing problems completely fixed then new content atm.

 

[Fable]

@_Flash_

I had a much longer post addressing each rebuttal, but I nixed it. I don't want to derail this post any more than I have.

I concede to your pts. I guess my own selfish ploys on how to help improve the game solely for my own purpose was unwarranted.

The only point I will make is u must not play a lot of games to not know the majority of devs DO respond to questions, especially when it's much easier to answer them after an update (say a Q & A).

 

[Ravenlord]

he he he redprince

 

[Ravenlord]

There's a saying: ''one experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions''. Right now we have plenty of one of them .....

 

[skysblue]

4. There's higher glory to be attained for beating opponents with higher glory and vice versa

Hi Flash, is this true? I didn't see it in the post.

Hi NB, how will individual player leaderboard look like? Same medal based? Or war based.

 

[Fable]

But u didn't wait to pass judgement on others...

 

[redprince]

Lol, I pretty much assume everyone has dealt with the same hellish issues all along. And it used to be worse, but that's my opinion. I don't need to know what you've been through because it's inevitable that we all experienced the frustration because we play the same buggy game. That said, this was not about any past issues. This is about you blowing up about something you do not even know will be the headache you think it will be. You let your frustration spill over and now you're being rash. And to be fair, I may be doing the same with my frustration in regards to dealing with annoying complainers like you. You're annoying as hell. Dealing with the game issues is a lot worse when guys like you are incessantly crying each day, and then when we get something new to get excited about you just come around and shoot it down with your moping. You're a killjoy, and this is a game...move along.

 

[bsharpy]

Prodigal Clint read your post and I see why you would think that, but let me expand. Sure a higher level alliance may be able to field a 40v40 team, but so can a team full of lower level players. And I can imagine they would have a much better success rate of matching 40v40 down at their level due to the sheer number of teams they are able to match based on player ratings. As for having a huge advantage, well ya... a team such as USAE/UA/1D/KA/DW etc, that has higher level players will have an advantage over enlightenment age or industrial age accounts because of the time and effort they have put into the game, as will most of the teams that are currently in the top 20. I just don't see how you can have a leaderboard full of teams that are unable to play each other based on the matchmaking system. It doesn't make much sense to me because then you don't truly know who the best team is which was the whole point of creating a war ladder...

wmmumm totally agree with the varsity, JV analogy. Who wants to see a junior college football team leading the NFC North standings? Thats because the Cincinnati Bengals belong there lol.

_Flash_ First of all sorry if I miss something, I didn't have time to click on all the links you posted. I get your point and comparison with the current medal system about the teams dropping glory points and then matching with teams that are lower level. It would make it very "not fun" for the lower team that matched them. I mean technically it could happen, the chances of it happening? I would venture to say slim. Right now the incentive for dropping medals on individual accounts is to match easier bases therefore making rss farming easier. Its also extremely easy to drop 400 medals on an individual account in about 10 minutes. The current medal system offered no real incentive to climb the ranks other than league bonus, which was nice to have, but probably not worth the time you had to put in to reach it and maintain in my opinion. The incentive to drop glory points would be what? An easier opponent so you can collect your measly 800k and 5k oil war loot?

 

[Prodigal Clint]

bsharpy, Ok so here is what I'm saying. There are two alliances, I'll use your buddies words, a varisty and a jv. The varsity team does a 50 person war with all globals who also, obv, have high war rankings. The jv team wars with 20 people, ranged from gunpowder to IA, and corresponding war rankings based on age.

Varsity glory= ((you win a lot more for beating a higher-ranked Alliance than a lower-ranked one * 222%) + (combined war ranking of 50 near max globals) + ( 50*167% for all globals*applied to assigned point value))

JV glory= ((you win a lot LESS for beating a lower-ranked Alliance* 111%) + (combined war ranking of 20 ranged from gunpowder to IA) + ( 20*133% call it an EA average*applied to assigned point value))

now I'm not going to spend enough time to assign dummy values to these numbers and run a few simulations etc.... But there are huge differences here that will lead to massively different glory totals that these two would receive. My point is looking at this, i don't think there is enough information to DEFINITIVELY state at this time that the leaderboard will be bias, unfair or whatever else...

 

[Hugh Jazz]

show me where I passed any judgement aside from this post where I assume you are ignorant

 

[redprince]

I don't see anyone retreating, my stance has always been the same. And you were not simply stating your concerns from what you read, you also made a broad statement that Nexon doesn't listen to people it has taken from. That's generalization at its finest. I've seen this game improve on many levels, and many of our concerns and questions answered, for a game that's a year old and offers this much playability it's a miracle it's this good. I played CoC for two years before I saw their first version of wars, and that was a mess! So step back and stop blowing this off to online bullying because it sure as hell is not, I disagree with your assumptions and tone, and I'm letting you know. Which btw is the same thing you are doing...only difference is I'm right and you're hurt.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

I can only assume you are speaking of me when you refer to "my book"

If you can't produce one shred of evidence that I judged someone then my point of you being ignorant is not so far fetched. I would not consider anything I have said or done a bullying tactic and can't see that anyone has done anything similar either. You have every right to have your own opinion on whatever topic you choose and even if I don't agree with you I am happy to debate the finer points in a reasonable manner. So far concerning an event that has yet to be activated there is already a huge wave of opposition from people that would have you believe that they have tested it and know what they are talking about. I'm not ready to call it garbage yet .. I think I'll wait till I see it in action and would recommend you do the same before you share any more expert advice on how bad it is. I truly look forward to your opinions 30 days after the release. that should give you enough of a sample size to really have a supporting argument.

 

[_Flash_]

The Glory System

Glory is a new system that ranks your Alliance’s skill at winning World Wars against other Alliances. Your Alliance’s Glory increases when you win a World War, and decreases when you lose one. Several things affect how much Glory you’re fighting for in each World War:

• Glory of Opposing Alliance: You’ll gain more Glory winning against an Alliance that has higher Glory than yours (and lose less from defeat)
• Number of Combatants: Up to 2.5x more Glory is at stake depending on the number of combatants in the War. More combatants, more Glory.
• Alliance Average Rating: Up to 2.7x more Glory is at stake based on all combat-related upgrades its members have made. More details later.

It's the first bullet point in a list of three bullet points explaining the glory system in the original post.
Hope this helps, skysblue. Cheers!

 

[Fable]

for a system that isn't even turned on yet there sure is a lot of crying foul ... just quit. there are thousands of other players to take your place. you won't be missed. in a month your name will be forgotten.

Here u go.

 

[Fable]

And saying I am ignorant for posting my own thoughts whether they be negative or positive is well...ignorant.

 

[Fable]

Your whole pt. is everyone has the right to have their own opinions, but for some reason u take exception with mine.

I have the right the have my own opinion...then why the F r u guys criticising it? Don't b hypocritical pls.

redprince

I really don't care if u played CoC before, how is that relevant here? Pls shed some light on how u r right about calling ppl names as a way to let them express their own point of view? Then applauding someone for an off the cuff remark about not liking the posters opinion? Lol, I will agree u r right about something, just b consistent.

@Hugh jazz

U didn't judge anyone in particular, but u addressed a group of ppl (is that worse?) or maybe u did address someone in particular but left out their name. Either way u did, I posted your comment up a little ways. B consistent as well. Green eggs and Ham, nope never heard of it, I find it charming how u defend your elementary comment by using another. And like i mentioned in another post what update that Nexon came out with wasn't straight forward like this 1 will b? I'll check back in later for all your examples.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

I fail to see where I judged a person with that post. I think I hit the nail on the head ... whatever though. you have an opinion .. you want to band together with your alliance mates and pass off your fear of change. glad you guys are sticking together as alliance mates. It shows a real strength. I`m done with this debate since all it has done was draw more negativity and harshness to the situation. the very ideals I would have preferred not to have so present in the discussion.

you were valiant I commend you. best of luck when the feature is released officially. I suspect you will do just fine and you will see all the worried posts were overreaction.

I apologize for stepping on the opinions of your friends on a public forum. they may continue to share their hate freely without my interference. please remind them that all voices matter and that the forum is still a safe place to share that voice.

 

[Hugh Jazz]

adults could learn a lot from kids .. fear and hate is passed down, not up in that relationship.

 

[Prodigal Clint]

This seems to be getting a little off track and personal. Do any of the detractors have an actual rebuttal to my numbers argument?. Fable , bsharpy , wmmumm ? I'm very interested to know how looking at these two scenarios, you can concretely say at this time, that it's an unfair and skewed system?