University upgrades, worth or not?

[Farazon]

before start I want to say hello to everyone. I like to max upgrade everything before move to higher age so university came at perfect moment so I was able to use all my workers to upgrades a lot what I thought is important. but when I checked with my guild mates I got totaly confused, or better say disappointed. example, i have max upgraded mortar dmg (+30%) and now dmg is 108dps, and one of my friends is on only 6% and his mortars is 107dps?!? how come 24% can give only 1 more dps??? or upgrade praetorians hitpoints from 27%-30% didnt incrase one single point at their helth??? how is that even possible, or maybe better question is how are this upgrades beeing calculated? another thing is are those upgrades are carried when you donate the troops, or troops are getting downgraded to nominal value like never been upgraded? excuse my english and sorry if I posted this at unappropriate place but spent like 3 hours reading the topics and couldnt find good explanations. thank you everyone...

 

[vincentdang4]

Several questions here, hopefully I can help:
(1) You should have significantly more dps with a +30% university upgrade for mortar vs your friend with 6%. Several things might change that. For example, if your friend's mortars are higher level or if s/he had blessings activated (i.e. tower blessing)
(2) University upgrades do not take effect until it is completed and you click on the icon over the university. 1 single upgrade (3%) isn't a lot, and not quite noticeable. My Atomic British shooters gain ~3dps per upgrade of 3% on damage. However, it is the cumulation of multiple upgrades over time that makes a difference. You can see this change for yourself. When a university has completed the research, check your unit first, then click on the yellow "completed" icon over the university, then check your unit again, there will be a change.
(3) Troops being donated take on the stats (upgrades) of the person receiving the donation. For example, if you have shooters with maximum research for damage (30% boost) and you give it to your friend with no university research, it will be "downgraded" to the basic stat. This applies to other boosts from library as well.

 

[mwolodko]

Vincent, thanks for the info! When I saw this topic I was thinking about how unlike the library the university takes up worker space, for a long duration, for a small upgrade, and to me it hasn't been worth upgrading anything because leveling up a mortar, garrison, or anything is more important than a 3% upgrade. Perhaps if I get to a point where it takes a week for one upgrade, a few days for a university will be worth it, or until I get more workers.

Any thoughts in regards to my thoughts of university upgrades being the last thing to be upgraded besides maybe some economy related items?

Thanks,

MasterMike

 

[Wilhelm]

Cleared up post...
I accept my wrong mistake

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[TizJourney]

you are completly ignorant, sir

 

[vincentdang4]

MasterMike, I think that is a great way to approach the University! IMHO, the U isn't as useful for early age players. However, as you approach late industrial and higher ages, it can be more beneficial to siphon villagers to the University.

As a more than casual player, villager time is the most valuable asset in the game for me. An industrial age mortar takes 12d and 4 citizens to complete. You gain an increase of ~6.25% dmg and ~16.5% health for the 12d spent. Multiply that by 4 mortars and you just lost 4 citizens for 2 months just to get all 4 mortars up. Likewise, you could have invested just 3 villagers into the University (Leonardo tree). With the same amount of time, you would have completed 9 stages of mortar damage for +27% across the field. Or, if you prefer, you could have completed +15% dmg (5 stages) and +15% health (5 stages) for mortars requiring only 1 month of 3 citizens' time. As with everything in this game, the further you get in research of a specific item in the University, the less the gains (i.e. at stage 6, it can take 6+ days to complete the research for the same +3% boost). At some point, it becomes less worthwhile to fully complete an item in the U.

I think Chief Hiawatha should be completed ASAP before attempting to invest heavily in the University. Most people pursue an offense first philosophy, and Chief Hiawatha will help save tremendous resources and time in the long run.

 

[vincentdang4]

I am guessing that you have not progressed to the later stages of the game. We should revisit this topic when you are there. I believe you will have a different opinion.

 

[AbbyVille]

University is a long term goal upgrade. It's awesome. Sure 3% increase each time(for example) is not noticeable but after 10 times it becomes 30% that's a lot. Don't look at what's in front of your nose all the time, look down in the distant ahead from time to time would make planning easy.

I put in an upgrade here and there before I know it, I'm max out on hitpoints and attack power on both offensive and defensive in several units.

 

[Farazon]

like I said at the beginning, I em a player who likes to max upgrade everything before move on and thats what Im doing. so all other researches are done, at the armory and library, there were no blessing active and we are the same lvl. ofc I did check before and after upgrade, and that is what makes me start this topic. there is another example: arquebusiers on 27% had 246 hitpoint, on 30% is the same. my math says that 246-27%=196 and that should be the base value, arquebusier without university upgrade. so 30% should be something like 196+30%=255. I did check library and there is no upgrades for arquebusier hitpoints, only for dmg at lvl1 line under iron cast, so the numbers should be just like I presented above, but for some reason they are not and I dont know why. have to say I didnt paying attention at the start of upgrades what Im gonna do for the next one and I might find out whats going on here. would help if anyone can post some exact numbers and upgrade lvl so we can see progression per percentage...

 

[JosephMiraglia]

It all adds up.

 

[Blacknife686]

University skills are absolutely worth researching; although the time and worker requirements can be a little much. That's why Hiawatha's capstone and base tree skills to reduce the time, cost and worker requirement for food based researches is a HUGE help. I would absolutely recommend putting the 2 workers for 2 weeks into this tree to max it out.

 

[Quang t legend]

Remember the armor blessing will change the HP stats, so be sure to compare the HP without the blessings. Another things is the Versailes give 10% boost, so if you have Vesailes and 3% uni, it is total 13% boost.

 

[Veldan]

University upgrades are definitely worth getting... but whether it's worth maxing them is a different story. That takes a serious amount of time, during which your workers will accomplish (almost) nothing else. I'd be very happy already if I got all of them to lvl 5.

 

[Gangstaville]

I think its worth it. I have a alliance member who has already maxed (30%) out the mortar research in university. His lvl 6 mortars are only 4 dps lower than my lvl 7 mortars with 15% research done.