Why am I spending 7,200,000 per wall piece only to see them blown up by global miners

[Master Contrail Program]

And 3 at a time at that? 21,600,000 is about as much as it costs to upgrade wall miners from gunpowder to global. Doesn't really seem right when it's laid out like that now does it?

 

[Bedlam]

Ive nearly finished all to level 11 with this event. Thats enough for me. The prices are crazy.

 

[KniferX]

You sacrifice 4 troop space to be able to blow up a wall. I don't really see this as a problem, especially because you can only effectively do it for the first wall on the way.

 

[_Flash_]

A similar argument can probably be made against the benefit of upgrading generals - the oil cost associated with their upgrades versus the incremental health and the damage boost they get per level of upgrade. They do get threatened by anti tank guns which can be upgraded for a much lower cost using gold.

It'll have to be looked at with the intent of the game design. Upgrades to walls and generals are more of an end game play, to serve as a good resource sink to keep the players engaged - to give them something to do with the excess resources.

The benefit versus cost of each of the upgrades isn't linear. And, that's part of what makes it a strategy game! To be able to discern, analyze, and prioritize the upgrades from a cost versus benefit perspective.

Cheers!

 

[Tsamu]

You sacrifice 4 troop space to be able to blow up a wall. I don't really see this as a problem, especially because you can only effectively do it for the first wall on the way.

Not true. I just had 4,000 oil raided by 11 wall miners and 20 motorcycle raiders. They had to get through two layers of level 13 walls. One of the miners got through the first layer and let the others through to the second layer.

 

[KniferX]

Not true. I just had 4,000 oil raided by 11 wall miners and 20 motorcycle raiders. They had to get through two layers of level 13 walls. One of the miners got through the first layer and let the others through to the second layer.

I was talking about war attacks (where this matters), you are not gonna send 11 miners in a war attack, that is 44 troop space.
And no, there are other ways of discouraging oil raids that don't include nerfing wall miners to oblivion.

 

[BeerMan]

Well at least it was only 1.8 million per piece during the double sale...

 

[Motaz Tarek]

white walls + max saladin wall hp bonus = not even AA miners will be able to break them

so it's a totally wrong concept to think they are useless cuz if u get max saladin bonus u will get impenetrable wall, though u have to hire lvl 7 indian coalition if u want to keep that advantage in wars

and coupled with kremlin it can be a deadly combo

yet without all the mentioned above u still get a decently much more higher base hp since normal troops will have to make their way through deep layers and with a high chance to stuck at one of these white walls with max lvl barbed wire under their feets which could take them the whole battle to bypass

 

[Master Contrail Program]

Honestly, I think wall miners should take double the troop space, but also disable traps. I mean, isn't that what combat engineers do in real life anyway? I know it's pretty much pie-in-the-sky thinking, like any other significant balance change, by this point though.

Though as far as the oil raid dance goes: the introduction of a rapid response type of defender would go a long way. This idiocy where one shooter in one corner of the map triggers the entire defending army to slowly amble over there while a dozen wall miners and 2 dozen raiders beeline to their target is so tiresome. Sure, even that will be countered, but another step in the dance wouldn't hurt.

 

[Quovatis]

German miners can with the 15% bonus. A well-timed strength of the gladiator tactic will get 1 through as well.

 

[KniferX]

Plenty, plenty of other more important issues to resolve, I would put this far down the (non-existent) "To fix" list by Nexon.

 

[Motaz Tarek]

Quovatis using SOG on miners may not be feasible in all cases, plus that doesn't still make up for deep layer penetration specially that germans don't carry tactical helios which is a big downside for wall takedown
as a british player dropping wall miners from tactical helio is a massive helper for me to slice enemy walls open all the way inside and create raw areas without caltrops for my troops to stand on

 

[Quovatis]

I'm German and I carry a tactical heli...

 

[_Flash_]

Though as far as the oil raid dance goes: the introduction of a rapid response type of defender would go a long way. This idiocy where one shooter in one corner of the map triggers the entire defending army to slowly amble over there while a dozen wall miners and 2 dozen raiders beeline to their target is so tiresome. Sure, even that will be countered, but another step in the dance wouldn't hurt.

You might want to consider placing multiple anti tank guns which have the oil refinery within their range. You might also want to consider placing mortars such that more than one of them have the refinery within their range.
You might also want to consider surrounding the walls enclosing the refinery with landmines and ambush traps, and activating the trap blessing.
Another option is to have a kind of a maze layout which messes with the troop AI of the raiders and wall miners, and send them on a death run.
These are typically quite proven ways of minimizing the chances of oil raiding by the method you've described in your post.

Resource gathering just started getting better. Instead of providing something quite powerful to everyone on a platter to protect their oil, let's leave some room for players to exercise their creativity and think of some strategies to protect the oil. Let's not take the fun out of the game for the people who strategize and spend time on good base design

Cheers and happy gaming!

 

[Htmk5]

Yay, let's nerf everything!!!

 

[Motaz Tarek]

Quovatis with HT combo? i guess no point unless u mean while using regular combos like APC bazookas and so

 

[Navalis]

It's been my observation that the defending AI has gotten remarkably better in the past couple of updates. Now I regularly see defenders take a 180 to attack troops I've dropped behind them while the rest march off to the lone shooter across the map.

 

[Manifesto]

Honestly, I think wall miners should take double the troop space, but also disable traps. I mean, isn't that what combat engineers do in real life anyway? I know it's pretty much pie-in-the-sky thinking, like any other significant balance change, by this point though.

Though as far as the oil raid dance goes: the introduction of a rapid response type of defender would go a long way. This idiocy where one shooter in one corner of the map triggers the entire defending army to slowly amble over there while a dozen wall miners and 2 dozen raiders beeline to their target is so tiresome. Sure, even that will be countered, but another step in the dance wouldn't hurt.

I'm with MCP on this. Attacking troops don't target one building or one group of defenders, so what is the reasoning behind ALL defenders moving to a lone troop on the other side of the base?
If attackers are then deployed behind the defenders, some of them should do a '180' , as Navalis said.

 

[Mountainking]

The defenders should move to troops closest to them. I suppose this is the reason why forest defenders go to the first dropped unit. Would need to revise their AI....

 

[Excalibur]

place sniper tower strategically to take out the single infantry that drawing ur defenders.also use towrs and traps .i have no problem with oil defence .