Major dilemma over which nation to pick, need some guidance

[Mr Suplex]

Japanese are not useless. They are by far the easiest nation to loot with. Spam Samurai and win. Though you'll need better tactics in war, but as a Japanese player that was going to revolt... Nah, Japanese is great when it comes to looting.

Germans do it way better than Japanese. They have the exact same unique unit, an improved rally, and usually +15% damage. Japan's attacking TC and longer peace treaties don't compare in any way.

As a former Japanese player, I will tell you that Germany is completely superior to them in every way. It is a no brainer switch.

 

[Mr Suplex]

I have a fully upgraded IA army, and I still use 20-30 Wehrmacht (the IA stage of German Vandals) and my army is very successful. Yes, heavy infantry dies, but it does alot of damage before it dies and you can usually take care of the majority of enemy defenses before it happens, leaving your more expensive and slow to produce units alive and able to return from the battle. Heavy infantry is the second best way to tear down walls after engineers, and is cheap, can absorb alot more damage, and do something useful after the wall is knocked down.

No, Germany's unique unit is not OP like Koreans or British, but they are still very useful if you just accept that their role is to die. I'd rather they die and retrain them in 5 minutes than my cannons, tanks, etc die and I have to wait 5x as long before my next attack.

 

[Halsjen]

Germans do it way better than Japanese. They have the exact same unique unit, an improved rally, and usually +15% damage. Japan's attacking TC and longer peace treaties don't compare in any way.

As a former Japanese player, I will tell you that Germany is completely superior to them in every way. It is a no brainer switch.

Exactly this. I was on the verge (still kinda am) to switching to French a couple of times. I'm still Gunpowder, but I'd like to have the reduced training duration so bad. I've been getting a few French tanks from my alliance and they're extremely nice.

 

[Mr Suplex]

Exactly this. I was on the verge (still kinda am) to switching to French a couple of times. I'm still Gunpowder, but I'd like to have the reduced training duration so bad. I've been getting a few French tanks from my alliance and they're extremely nice.

Just use the Training Blessing. You'll seriously miss the German rally and damage bonus, and despite what most say, heavy infantry is effective if used properly.

 

[Pharon]

How long does it take a mixed German army to regenerate from scratch with the training blessing? With French, it's around 7 minutes for this:

2 supply wagons
4 tanks
4 artillery
42 riflemen

 

[Wicked Odie]

Germans do it way better than Japanese. They have the exact same unique unit, an improved rally, and usually +15% damage. Japan's attacking TC and longer peace treaties don't compare in any way.

As a former Japanese player, I will tell you that Germany is completely superior to them in every way. It is a no brainer switch.

Never did once argue the fact that they have terrible perks. All I stated was samurai spam was easy which made Japan easier to loot than say french, or roman. I'm not defending the fact that Germany is better. I know full heartedly they are.

I will at some point switch, but as of right now, I could care less. I'm content and I'd rather not spend the crowns.

 

[Mr Suplex]

Never did once argue the fact that they have terrible perks. All I stated was samurai spam was easy which made Japan easier to loot than say french, or roman. I'm not defending the fact that Germany is better. I know full heartedly they are.

You said "(Japanese) are by far the easiest nation to loot with. Spam Samurai and win.". I provided pretty compelling evidence that this is not true. Germans are the easiest comparison since they have a unit that is exactly equivalent to Samurai. And they are clearly better.

Honestly, make the switch to German. It only costs 600 crowns which you can easily obtain without spending a dime. I made the switch a month ago and never looked back.

 

[Mr Suplex]

How long does it take a mixed German army to regenerate from scratch with the training blessing? With French, it's around 7 minutes for this:

2 supply wagons
4 tanks
4 artillery
42 riflemen

This is my army, and it takes about ~15 minutes to rebuild from scratch.

27 Wehrmacht
24 Riflemen
3 Tanks
4 Artillery
2 Supply Trucks
1 Gatling

But typically, I only need to replace the infantry if I play well, and that only takes about 1-2 minutes. German perks, particularly the improved Rally, make it much easier to use the army efficiently. Also, I have the added benefit of not being a bandwagon French player.

 

[Ravenlord]

Germans do it way better than Japanese.

Not necessarily ''better'' - they just do it more orderly and with attention to detail. And keep meticulous records of everything they do.

 

[Halsjen]

Just use the Training Blessing. You'll seriously miss the German rally and damage bonus, and despite what most say, heavy infantry is effective if used properly.

I private messaged you with a few later level German questions.

Also, what were your compositions in early and late Gunpowder?

 

[Zodiac]

I disagree with the thought that French bring nothing to Wars. The Alliance Gate bonus is exceedingly underrated.

 

[astero]

Just use the Training Blessing. You'll seriously miss the German rally and damage bonus, and despite what most say, heavy infantry is effective if used properly.

I could really use the German faster rally cooldown because during my raiding I usually try to take out all markets or mills depending on what I need. Sometimes because of the slow rally I am only able to take 2 out due to my army being decimated.

Of course the 15% German damage bonus is huge too as all your troops get it. It's almost like a blessing, except it's so easy to get.

 

[Ampdraw]

I haven't tried them all, but I have tried many, so far I find the Chinese seem to be the best one to pick.

 

[Mr Suplex]

I could really use the German faster rally cooldown because during my raiding I usually try to take out all markets or mills depending on what I need. Sometimes because of the slow rally I am only able to take 2 out due to my army being decimated.

Of course the 15% German damage bonus is huge too as all your troops get it. It's almost like a blessing, except it's so easy to get.

Yeah, the improved rally is great for raiding, war, or any other offense. I think they are an excellent choice for players who attack alot.

 

[astero]

I haven't tried them all, but I have tried many, so far I find the Chinese seem to be the best one to pick.

Their archers don't really cause my troops to break a sweat. Seems like the Korean ones are more troublesome to my troops.

 

[Mr Suplex]

Their archers don't really cause my troops to break a sweat. Seems like the Korean ones are more troublesome to my troops.

Agreed, I think Korean archers (and nation) are objectively better in every way to Chinese.

Chinese, Japanese, and Greeks definitely need a buff. They are shit tier right now.

 

[Ampdraw]

Maybe I'll try them on my alt account once I get it far enough along to revolt, it's currently Japanese and I thought the Town Center that fights back would be good, but it's been mostly worthless. I haven't tried Koreans yet. With library and blacksmith upgrades though, I've been pretty happy with my Chinese main account.

 

[astero]

Chinese, Japanese, and Greeks definitely need a buff. They are **** tier right now.

Ultimately I think the Greeks just need their current perks tweaked, so instead of lowering upgrade/research times by 5 mins per age maybe it should now be 1 hour per age? And instead of giving a 5% rebate upon completion maybe just lower the initial cost by 5%?

Japanese need something extra as the armed TC doesn't really make a difference in the latter ages. Maybe buff that so that it can induce some real damage, and then extend the peace treaty they get upon defeat (or give them a similar perk to the Eiffel Tower where they can get a 12hr treaty once a week or once every 3 days even).

Not sure about China, but maybe an additional villager/worker (so that they get two extra instead of just one) would make them more enticing?

 

[Mr Suplex]

Yeah I don't know, I just know that right now you would never choose any of those nations if you started a new account lol

 

[Aitor-NationsLeague]

Japanese, Greeks and Chinese all three they really need a boost, first two I find useless, Chinese aren't that bad up to a certain age, the +1 worker is always a +1 worker... Their problem is that at some point, they simply can't compete with the other armies, but they are worth considering, I started with them then moved to Roman, but I have missed the +1 CItizen.

Then it's Romans, I feel it's in the middle, not in the bottom tier, but isn't a top anymore. They really need a boost like German had, from +10% bonus to +15%, a boost to their UU (useless curently), or a decent second bonus, like all other top Nations like Germany Korea or UK have.

Germany, I think the best nation currently in raw power, for war attacks and 5 star attacks, +15% instead of Romans bonus, and they have a second nice hability, far better than Romans currently imo.

The silver and bronze seats, for Korea and Great Britain, both UU really amazing, Korea is better for war (+1 tactic), but +15% loot British make they superior imo.

And the kings of our time, in my opinion, once you have reached at least Enlighment age, the French, La Republique. lol . A very balanced nation (good UU, nice hability +6 ally gate, makes them good for defense in wars, and the reduced training time, ok not important for war, but important if you need more resources, or if you need medals, two conditions at least one of which any player is going to need at some point... If you are a hard core Dominator, lol, and play hours and hours, this is probably your option. But still, I think they aren't that imba against the other top nations like Germany British and Korea, so I think game is currently ok.

I will only change that bottom ones, Romans as I said, and the other three need offensive army boost for the late game, if they want to compete against others.

I don't really know of course, but could be things like: Activating a second general is free in oil, for example, +1 air capacity (although that seems to be reserved to future Americans...), mercs cheaper (decent for Chinese for example, could read: "+1 Mercs capacity and they cost 1 less of every product but Diamonds), something related with Kamikazes for Japanese, etc.