Moctezuma leader

[Quovatis]

At first glance, looks like another decent leader addition. Just wish all of them could be like this and not have ridiculous research times and useless upgrades like the first few leaders released.

Anyway, with hunting and mining being nearly instantaneous after research, why would somebody choose the Hanging Gardens wonder? The only benefit it will give now is a ~1 hour decrease in gold/tree harvesting. I think it needs to be rebalanced. Perhaps add another tree and mine as a benefit, or give a boost to oil production. There's no real use for the wonder in later ages now.

Decrease in forest expansion time was a nice treat. Now only 2 weeks to clear instead of 3. Wish there was something similar for regular buildings.

+30% coalition power seems to be the most powerful research. That's a big boost that will certainly affect wars.

 

[yemen]

Nearly instantaneous - but do bears still take 6 workers?

 

[BeerMan]

The coalition research will be huge. Imagine a 70% boost with Mongols! I like that the first level of research only takes one citizen.

 

[KniferX]

Sorry, but that's very likely not how it works.
The percentage boost will most likely apply on the percentage that you have. So for example, a 30% boost applied to a 30% bonus is 39% total.

 

[LordJestix]

HOLY F***ING S*** they gave us forest clear time reduction!!!!!!!! I actually recently started clearing my last 6 spots, was going to start the 17.5 day one today, thankfully i was so busy yesterday i wasnt able to start it then. Looks like im going to get this research done asap so i can reduce those 21 day clears.

 

[BeerMan]

Maybe you're right, but I can dream!

 

[LordJestix]

KniferX you are right. Its applying the university research to the coalition, not the troops base stats. So my current level 5 mongols give a 30% boost. With max research it will now be a 39% boost.

 

[LordJestix]

The time reduction for hunting/harvesting is a complete waste. IT still requires you to have 6 workers for a bear, etc. These are probably the worst university researches in the game. We are talking about wasing a couple of days worth of worker time and a couple million resources to save 8 seconds an animal.

 

[KniferX]

Worst university researches in the game? You obviously haven't seen the ones that increase temple and library hp apparently. Woohoo 600 hp more on each building, so useful.
This is a comfort increasing research. I don't know about you but I will appreciate not having to spend 5 minutes of my day clicking and waiting for timers to give me cider/metal/leather/fur. This whole leader ranges from useful to essential on every one of his researches.

 

[LordJestix]

well when you typically only have 1 worker available its pretty useless and even when i have them, spending a few minutes gathering isnt that bad. when i do have the workers, i hunt/gather while im waiting for my troops to retrain for my next attack so im not spending any extra time on it.

 

[TizzZeus]

what does everyone think of the new leader??? i just saw the update and still looking at how useful and quick to complete this, only have 4 workers available!!

 

[TizzZeus]

i just noticed the amount% gained as well from the researches, thats not bad when i always stack hunting/gathering sessions with animal blessing and gathering blessings anyways!

 

[TizzZeus]

coooool, theres 50% production gain from farms and caravans too! and 30% reduction time in clearing forests! finally i can start last 7 patches.. would have never been able to do those at current nunbers.
50% oil rig capacity, again great research here. During long work days, or long sleep sessions, etc. Now we can just use oil blessing and collect max oil without wasting any to thin air, wow Vault 50% capacity gain as well! great for oil storage and bonus upon collecting every 24 hrs! then 30% increase in coals power, so 39% max total we can get on defense and offense, GREAT!! then the capstone which is very useful to quickly gaining valuable NTGS! i myself would welcome 3 ntgs every 5* win and doing it often will lessen my grind time for ntgs weekly!!

overall i give this new leader and quick times to research with 1-2 workers each, A+!

i dont know why u all dont appreciate this valuable uni leader!

 

[yemen]

Still need to reduce the number of workers required - all hunting gathering should only take 1. This is no help with that. Bears will still wander aimlessly around my base indefinitely.

 

[TizzZeus]

theres more to the leader tree than that!

 

[KniferX]

Well there's a couple of things you can do:
Free up 2 workers
Do something else maybe even outside the game while troops retrain rather than stare at the screen and the 20 second timers. 20 seconds *tap tap* 20 seconds *tap tap*
Just saying, this is the first time I've seen someone complaining that tedious things like this will be severely shortened.

 

[yemen]

Lots more. But if Nexon is aware they need to do something about hunting / gathering time in the later ages, and they don't bother to do something about the worker count for that same task, they don't really understand players in the later stages of their own game. Stags, bears and boars can wander untouched for weeks in atomic while long build projects finish.

It is frustrating to see them come so close and miss the point.

 

[Imaera]

7 out of 10 chapters are useless, And the useful ones are, of course, at the bottom. 4 full chapters dedicated to hunting and mining.. what a joke! That would have been useful in dawn age, when hunting was the only income

 

[nucleo]

The value in it is that it makes it so it isn't a pain in the ass to hunt and gather with only 2 workers. When I am doing this with 2 workers it can take upwards of 5 minutes just to get all the bushes, mines, deer and rabbits. Not to mention there is a ton of value in upgrading them since they are required for the later tiers of the leader which are really good. You can't expect a top tier university research in the opening tier of a leader, in general it progresses from least useful to most useful. To get those forest reduction times and coalition bonuses you are going to have to go through some of the things you don't necessarily want. Not to mention that all of these researches are dirt cheap and very short in time, you won't be wasting hardly any worker time.

 

[TizzZeus]

TRUE! they introduced the emphasis on mining and hunting% gain now!! 2 years and after AA has been out for over a year. damn i wish we had this uni leader a year ago basically, they are definitely behind in their understanding of their own late game play!!