So this is how end game looks like? Huh

[Redgar]

Okay, I never tried hard to be there, caz playing casually, 1-2 hours a day, spent 10 usd in total, I've made to empire, 2600+ medals and top 200, building lvl10-12 walls. Nothing much.

But now in addition to just 3 units I use and 1 thing I build 99% of the time (walls), I am rewarded with no opponents bonus, so I have to 'catch' times when there is more opponents.

Building decorative walls isn't smth what should keep you in the game I suppose, at least it's not the best motivation for me.

Competing on medals is also useless, caz it's not a matter of skill, but boring grind and time investment, which is rewarded by no opponents in the end. Plus, those cheats all the time. It's just 200 users in the top, they should be 'clean' like glass.

I won't repeat again about medal system and 5-star armies buff, but it would be very useful to have some feedback from devs on this matter.

Do you think alliance wars make it fun again even within current balance and weak anti-hack protrction? Or it is a must to give us more competitive units and balance medal/league rewards first?

 

[dbukalski]

Balance units first(easy) then release alliance wars and weekend challenge events and im happy. The opponent situation is fine for gold/hr until 3100 as far as im concerned. From a fun perspective ull want to be lower though. being at the peak of the pyramid is gonna leave u with fewer targets to battle. The thousands, million? Bases are far below u. When alliance wars and weekend events come ull want strong walls. Urs need a lot of work half are lvl9(40% weaker than lvl13)

 

[dbukalski]

Being topped ranked in any game is a grind. Top 200 of several million downloads is gonna be like that. Its clear uve never done it in another game or that wouldnt a surprise. Ur competing with people who are grinding medals. If u want a seat at the table u need to grind too. But if ur smart and efficient u can compete with the lazy cheaters

 

[Redgar]

Yea, that's a difference, I don't want to work when I play ))) I have plenty of work already.

Two wallbreakers break any wall, even EA ones, so what's the difference really? It's very rare when I get 5-starred already. Plus, my base designs are kinda making big chunk of walls useless to upgrade above lvl9 at all. I am building them because I have nothing else and hunting gold because it is the only resource I can spend.

I just think that once they return 5-starring, skill will matter much more. I am not saying that efficient raiding is like super n00b easy, there are plenty of tricks, but it is quite easy, imo.

 

[Redgar]

During a daytime, no opponent effectively eats at least 5 mins of training blessing even after 2600 medals. Extra 30k reward probably still covers that, but I am not sure if it's the same even higher. It already limits my available time to play

 

[Redgar]

Well, I think I could play more if the game was balanced properly. One limitation is huge medal losses, so short play sessions are not efficient, the second is opponents availability and the third one is boring sniping.

 

[Redgar]

I've at the top in many games ))) even had some semi-pro play in 1st starcraft in local tournaments. But yea, I haven't played CoC too hard or similar genre games

 

[dbukalski]

"I've at the top in many games ))) even had some semi-pro play in 1st starcraft in local tournaments. But yea, I haven't played CoC too hard or similar genre games"

I can tell uve got the analysis chops for high level play in games so i can believe that. My comment was for the genre

 

[dbukalski]

During a daytime, no opponent effectively eats at least 5 mins of training blessing even after 2600 medals. Extra 30k reward probably still covers that, but I am not sure if it's the same even higher. It already limits my available time to play

Agreed 5 mins, covered by bonuse. The 5 minutes stays effectively the same up to 3100ish. 2600 to 3100 ur playing with effectively the same crowd. Above 3100 u start to lose enough of the 2600-3100 crowd that its not worth it. What u want to do is reach 3000 medals(150k gold) then drop to around 2930. U keep the 150k league bonus until u drop to 2899. 2930 vs 2600 is same opponent situation but with bigger league rewards. U welcome

 

[dbukalski]

Well, I think I could play more if the game was balanced properly. One limitation is huge medal losses, so short play sessions are not efficient, the second is opponents availability and the third one is boring sniping


Agreed. Balance will be fixed so boring battles will change. Well be sharig plane strategies within a month i think. Opponent situation seems worse than it is. 5 mins per blessing. Short sessions arent efficient in terms of climbing medals but i should never not grind gold for fear of losing medals. The only reason to increase in medals is for bigger league bonus. Otherwise their worthless. If ur avoiding playing because medal loss ur losing way more gold than the league bonus is worth. Play like normal. Incidentally. U should join me in usa elite redgar. Im more generous giving info to alliance members

 

[dbukalski]

Yea, that's a difference, I don't want to work when I play

Two wallbreakers break any wall, even EA ones, so what's the difference really? It's very rare when I get 5-starred already. Plus, my base designs are kinda making big chunk of walls useless to upgrade above lvl9 at all. I am building them because I have nothing else and hunting gold because it is the only resource I can spend.

I just think that once they return 5-starring, skill will matter much more. I am not saying that efficient raiding is like super n00b easy, there are plenty of tricks, but it is quite easy, imo.

im an old school gamer. Im used to grinding endlessley to build a character or base. Im preparing for alliance wars and weekend challenges.

The difference is between a lvl9 wall and a lvl13 wall isnt just 2 wall breakers break both. If u design ur base well the opponent will have to break through walls 12x or more. High hp walls really screw up opponents battle plans. U can only rally every 30 seconds. If ur walls are heavy enough u cant rally often enough. Ur troops spread out and end up wasting massive amounts of time attacking walls. Theres a break point where a properly built base with heavy walls stops opponents dead in their tracks. But a weak design base doesnt force opponent to attack break through enough wall peices to get at the defense structures. Or if ur walls are too soft then they break through the walls too fast. Against my base ill either kill ur army or ull time out and lose everything anyways. Once i upgrade my defense buildings it will just be kill ur army. At this point its the same people attacking me. There are people that used to attempt 5 starring me. Now they take the tc win and move on.

 

[dbukalski]

Once they return 5 starring then yes skill will matter more. That being said im a surgeon with a scalpel with raiders

 

[Ravenlord]

You two wanna get a private (chat) room?!!

 

[Redgar]

Once they return 5 starring then yes skill will matter more. That being said im a surgeon with a scalpel with raiders

Oh yea, I taimed my wallbreakers so well. It feels like I can hit any wall piece I want now. My new base design is coming, so you probably will need 10 to take it all )))

 

[Redgar]

Serious talks look like a private chat already ))) if you invite me to usa elite, I probably should join.

 

[dbukalski]

In that case i do invite u to usa elite. No doubt ur a high caliber legit player the type we look for

 

[Gambrinus]

i think your real problem is you play as French, so it's just grind away and you don't try to 5 star anymore. the reason i switched to British rather than French was because i wanted to still have fun with battles and always try for the 5 star rather than sniping TC or resources.

 

[dbukalski]

5 star isnt possible vs maxed out industrial base. So no matter what ur going to have to rebuild the entire army. And if thats the case u want the fastest building, cheapest army that gets the job done. With 150k leage bonus i wont hunt the entire map for caravan bags and nearly empty gold storage to scrape off the 50k it says is available somewhere. But if there is serious gold to be had or reasonabley concentrated then raiders give me the ability to grab the gold every time then snipe the tc. Which is as much as i can accomplish with a full mixed army. But i can do it in 1min with raiders then 40 sec rebuild time. Instead of a mixed army thats gonna spend 3 minutes im battle and 2 minutes rebuilding carts and cannons. So even if i wasnt playing french id still be using the same army and tactics and ill continue to do so until raiders are no longer capable or 5 starring with like half the army returning is possible

 

[Redgar]

i think your real problem is you play as French, so it's just grind away and you don't try to 5 star anymore. the reason i switched to British rather than French was because i wanted to still have fun with battles and always try for the 5 star rather than sniping TC or resources.

Partly, yes. But ever since I finished 1m walls brits required too long sessions for my taste too. Now, even if I grind for crystals an oil I am still making 3-4m gold/hour and can build a wall, log out without worrying about gold losses. To speed up brits I also switched to raiders, so played 5-star army 1 time per my session at the beginning. Nothing much. Like dbuk mentioned it is a balance problem first of all.

 

[Gambrinus]

so, you're saying the game is so broken with balance currently that there is no possible way to 5 star at high levels, and that the only nation that allows you to progress after a certain point is France? i might as well just give up now if that's what i have to look forward to, as that seems incredibly boring/tedious.