this is what is wrong with defense it's called neglect!

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So ..l let’s look on the facts. Dark Camelot had one time war the last 15 wars, not really much. Looks like that D worked on both sides.

FYI, it’s approx at the same cost to max O and D. As I am doing both i know this. You need much more legendaries for O to have different attack approaches, for D you need at least three.

I am tired and bored about reading always the same (And wrong) statements, next is CoC for sure. If you are annoyed with the current status of the game leave it.
You obviously didn't read what i wrote. Read it again.
 

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You obviously didn't read what i wrote. Read it again.
Your standard response: others are to stupid, only you know the truth. As said already, only tired and bored of your periodical crying about missing defense. Play CoC, leave Domi behind, you are the minorit.
 

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Your standard response: others are to stupid, only you know the truth. As said already, only tired and bored of your periodical crying about missing defense. Play CoC, leave Domi behind, you are the minorit.

I never called anyone stupid. I never said i was the only one who knows the truth. It's a fact that offense is too strong and anyone who says otherwise is being ignorant of the facts.

Here's our actual war history. Here are the facts. If you look at the scores, you'll see what I'm saying.


Fyi, telling veteran players just to leave the game is not a good tactic. We don't have enough players as it is. Especially at the higher levels. Also, i scoff at you telling me to leave domi. Lol! That is so childish of a response! Grow up a bit and once you've matured to a reasonable level then I'll continue the discussion.
 

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It isn't just top ranked teams. My team ranges from 600-1100. I used to be a defender. Not anymore. My museum is hybrid and on its way to full offense. The reason for this? Bhg has demonstrated through action that it doesn't care about defenders. They nerfed the house spawners and aren't acknowledging proof of it. They add offense without adequate defense countermeasures. They refuse to reduce time and resource costs for any of the lower ages.

Fyi, it's actually much more expensive to create a max defense base than to create a max offense base. Offense may cost more per war if you're a spender, but that pales in comparison to the costs to max your defenses. Prove me wrong. (Fyi you can't cause I've done the math already).

One of the prime indicators for offense vs defense is stars in wars. One side almost always completely clears the other. In time wars, both sides completely clear the other. Even in some "close" wars, both sides are over 90% cleared. That is very indicative that defense is not holding.

I am glad that there's an mp museum and a war museum. That means that bhg can fine tune offense and defense in wars without impacting mp attacks as much.

So, this is from a week 1 player who is above average in base builder games. Offense is much stronger than defense in domi. That is why I've switched from defense to offense. And I'm not in one of those spend to win teams. Wars are boring most of the time due to offense being op and mismatches
I never called anyone stupid. I never said i was the only one who knows the truth. It's a fact that offense is too strong and anyone who says otherwise is being ignorant of the facts.

Here's our actual war history. Here are the facts. If you look at the scores, you'll see what I'm saying.


Fyi, telling veteran players just to leave the game is not a good tactic. We don't have enough players as it is. Especially at the higher levels. Also, i scoff at you telling me to leave domi. Lol! That is so childish of a response! Grow up a bit and once you've matured to a reasonable level then I'll continue the discussion.
The next Tim standard response, sorry to repeat myself, you are boring me.

I watched your war history already, all shown 15 wars on domistats. It shows that you mostly none of the both teams had perfect score. If you think that a 20/20 should end 85:76 it’s your point of view. Mine is definitely different, as we are playing Dominations.

Playing this game since May 2015 I will ask every veteran player to quit if he don’t like the game anymore. Better a smaller group of players as always the same two dozens comppaining. You, Chadwicke, Dradis always come around with the usual negativity, understandable as you always talk about in your private rooms how bad and ugly the game is for defenders.
 

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I never called anyone stupid. I never said i was the only one who knows the truth. It's a fact that offense is too strong and anyone who says otherwise is being ignorant of the facts.

Here's our actual war history. Here are the facts. If you look at the scores, you'll see what I'm saying.


Fyi, telling veteran players just to leave the game is not a good tactic. We don't have enough players as it is. Especially at the higher levels. Also, i scoff at you telling me to leave domi. Lol! That is so childish of a response! Grow up a bit and once you've matured to a reasonable level then I'll continue the discussion.
And so, call me ignorant, cause I dont think that defense is to weak. Play 0TT and you will realize it.
 

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Well I have read some interesting points in the above 4 pages of posts and some players responses that don't seem to take other players opinions fairly. Everyone's perception is their reality no matter if you agree with it or not, it's their reality. I very rarely post anything here as there is always too much arguing about simple things, and remember, it is only a game.
I am a long term defender and I have been playing since Dec 2014 (Beta version). I have seen the good, bad and ugly of the game. As a defender, I have a good museum and a good knowledge of how to design a base. I have been designing my own bases for the past 4 or more years and yes I design it with my museum in mind.
Do I think the game is more balanced these days then it has been in the past. The question here is do I think defence needs a tweak, yes I do; however, it is only a tweak. I do like Server's suggestion of having a war only branch in the library, maybe starting at Information Age. There is no need to make wholesale changes. I quite like the challenge of coming up with a defence against these different attacking options that are currently available. I think BHG got the mix somewhere close to right for barrack troops attacking stats after a couple of tweaks. As a defender, I do think Blackhawk medics are OP. Again a small tweak would fix this i.e. reduce the amount of healers they generate would do the trick.
I think if we spent the time and energy to concentrate more on coming up with solutions then arguing about who has the biggest ........ base/bank account, we would have a larger involvement with the greater community and achieve a lot more good for the game. That is my 2 cents worth and again my perception of what is going on.
 

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Well I have read some interesting points in the above 4 pages of posts and some players responses that don't seem to take other players opinions fairly. Everyone's perception is their reality no matter if you agree with it or not, it's their reality. I very rarely post anything here as there is always too much arguing about simple things, and remember, it is only a game.
I am a long term defender and I have been playing since Dec 2014 (Beta version). I have seen the good, bad and ugly of the game. As a defender, I have a good museum and a good knowledge of how to design a base. I have been designing my own bases for the past 4 or more years and yes I design it with my museum in mind.
Do I think the game is more balanced these days then it has been in the past. The question here is do I think defence needs a tweak, yes I do; however, it is only a tweak. I do like Server's suggestion of having a war only branch in the library, maybe starting at Information Age. There is no need to make wholesale changes. I quite like the challenge of coming up with a defence against these different attacking options that are currently available. I think BHG got the mix somewhere close to right for barrack troops attacking stats after a couple of tweaks. As a defender, I do think Blackhawk medics are OP. Again a small tweak would fix this i.e. reduce the amount of healers they generate would do the trick.
I think if we spent the time and energy to concentrate more on coming up with solutions then arguing about who has the biggest ........ base/bank account, we would have a larger involvement with the greater community and achieve a lot more good for the game. That is my 2 cents worth and again my perception of what is going on.
I agree with almost everything you've said, even though I'm still a little Space Age grasshopper.

Where I disagree is about the Black Hawks. It is an unusual TT as it is not so easily available in the game. This TT has been explored a lot in combination with Attack Helicopters, but it wasn't that common before this type of attack. So I don't see any problems with the Black Hawks.

A small modification suggestion, as I understand it, would be an improvement to the Sniper Tower's damage and attack speed. Undoubtedly it is an outdated defensive construction, considered by many to be of minor importance. An improvement to this build could balance the game against Helicopter or Mortar + Siege attacks.
Note that I'm not wanting the Sniper Tower to be something absurd to the point of finishing off opponents and cleaning up the aforementioned attack compositions. It would just be to rebalance these two compositions that have dominated the meta game recently.
 

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I agree with almost everything you've said, even though I'm still a little Space Age grasshopper.

Where I disagree is about the Black Hawks. It is an unusual TT as it is not so easily available in the game. This TT has been explored a lot in combination with Attack Helicopters, but it wasn't that common before this type of attack. So I don't see any problems with the Black Hawks.

A small modification suggestion, as I understand it, would be an improvement to the Sniper Tower's damage and attack speed. Undoubtedly it is an outdated defensive construction, considered by many to be of minor importance. An improvement to this build could balance the game against Helicopter or Mortar + Siege attacks.
Note that I'm not wanting the Sniper Tower to be something absurd to the point of finishing off opponents and cleaning up the aforementioned attack compositions. It would just be to rebalance these two compositions that have dominated the meta game recently.
Blackhawks can easily be replaced by RAH Apache and SuperCobras. Tho nerfing them is only a postponement of new complains.

Drone age sniper towers have 1100 dps and 57k hitpoints. That’s not bad, especially with D coalitions. Adding one or two on top to the four available ones would be a way to annoy heli attackers. With six of them you can hit most parts of the map.
 

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One of the prime indicators for offense vs defense is stars in wars. One side almost always completely clears the other. In time wars, both sides completely clear the other. Even in some "close" wars, both sides are over 90% cleared. That is very indicative that defense is not holding.
Maybe I'm wrong about the objective of the game. I thought it was to clear the enemy's base. You're complaining that people are clearing bases - yet you go to war with that objective in mind - and bring the tools that'll get the job done. Why begrudge someone doing to you what you plan on doing to them??!
So if people are clearing bases 100% then I say job well done, give yourself a pat on the back for being an effective attacker. (money, legendaries, TTs notwithstanding)
You can't expect to protect yourself against every single attack. If you can defend against most attacks, that's great. If you have trouble defending against most, there's probably other reasons besides "it's the game's fault"
 

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This is what we are talking about @Harlems369th


I hear you mate, but I disagree. It’s all more complex. As you wrote in the HT thread, HT are not useless but often a pain due to bastions, landlines, barrack troops boost, etc. Bomber and helis are the Meta atm and you need very good museums to five star monster bases. In our wars many attackers already struggle with my drone age base if I am playing O.
 

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Sure, evidence it is. And evidence is that all your time wars were against a top 30 team. Watched up the stats for Tactical as @Chadwicke mentioned that they have mostly time wars. Well, 5 of their last 15 wars were time wars. For me this is not mostly.

So, the stats are showing what I said: it’s a top 30 issue, more a first world problem. I understand that the players don’t like that, but for 10.000 other warring alliances the situation is different.
why are you attacking me ? you didn't even really read what I said you only saw That I said it and went off . had you actually read you would have seen " I don't believe this is what the game needs " "this was intended to spark depabte" but all I see is you tagging me by name calling me out that's not what this is about, fact something needs done about defense, just a matter of what and you being all high and mighty with the only focus is attacking me isn't helping
 

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why are you attacking me ? you didn't even really read what I said you only saw That I said it and went off . had you actually read you would have seen " I don't believe this is what the game needs " "this was intended to spark depabte" but all I see is you tagging me by name calling me out that's not what this is about, fact something needs done about defense, just a matter of what and you being all high and mighty with the only focus is attacking me isn't helping
also the ones that we're not time wars were mismatched when the other team didn't even try or us vs cheats where we didn't try
 

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the point I was making is that right now assuming offense museum stats are average say , 50 ATD , 50 ADHD 50 EDST and 15 for something specific any troop combo can take down any base

in current war vs a good but not top team meaning we did xsh so no top 4 troop tactic mine and other good defender fell in 2:24, 2:15, 2:04 2:16 to a combo of 22-29 mortar and 5-9 howitzer, you could probably take a defense down with wall miners (exaggeration,, but I have to put this disclaimer for people who only react and don't actually read beyond the name of who wrote it.) point is it doesn't take money to beat anything, all it takes is a game that doesn't really look at how things work, I'll be specific helicopter still at reduced range are overpowered because of dual action and faster rate of fire and the ability to switch mode from machine gun to rocket to quickly and when the game is seeing a lot of action on a battle they fire both at the same time at the range of the rocket. also mortar paired with howitzer open a new bug as they encounter the base they are attacking a glitch happens and they shots go half way across the base hitting at a range of nearly double the intended range . and defense want to see a big bug look at the parliament cannon range of 10-15 I think doesn't matter it fires at range of 2 , and how about anti tank gun targeting 5 things can be sitting right in front of one and it will be turned the opposite direction, also fun fact helicopter attack though doesn't spawn the TC . so perhaps a real test would to be fix things and don't let them be broken for years.
 

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why are you attacking me ? you didn't even really read what I said you only saw That I said it and went off . had you actually read you would have seen " I don't believe this is what the game needs " "this was intended to spark depabte" but all I see is you tagging me by name calling me out that's not what this is about, fact something needs done about defense, just a matter of what and you being all high and mighty with the only focus is attacking me isn't helping
If you are starting to write in sentences, using „,“ and „.“ characters appropriate, I will respond.

One point: it’s not you, it’s the nonsense you are writing.
 

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Well I have read some interesting points in the above 4 pages of posts and some players responses that don't seem to take other players opinions fairly. Everyone's perception is their reality no matter if you agree with it or not, it's their reality. I very rarely post anything here as there is always too much arguing about simple things, and remember, it is only a game.
I am a long term defender and I have been playing since Dec 2014 (Beta version). I have seen the good, bad and ugly of the game. As a defender, I have a good museum and a good knowledge of how to design a base. I have been designing my own bases for the past 4 or more years and yes I design it with my museum in mind.
Do I think the game is more balanced these days then it has been in the past. The question here is do I think defence needs a tweak, yes I do; however, it is only a tweak. I do like Server's suggestion of having a war only branch in the library, maybe starting at Information Age. There is no need to make wholesale changes. I quite like the challenge of coming up with a defence against these different attacking options that are currently available. I think BHG got the mix somewhere close to right for barrack troops attacking stats after a couple of tweaks. As a defender, I do think Blackhawk medics are OP. Again a small tweak would fix this i.e. reduce the amount of healers they generate would do the trick.
I think if we spent the time and energy to concentrate more on coming up with solutions then arguing about who has the biggest ........ base/bank account, we would have a larger involvement with the greater community and achieve a lot more good for the game. That is my 2 cents worth and again my perception of what is going on.
Players with her „own“ virtual reality should ask for professional help.
 

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Players with her „own“ virtual reality should ask for professional help.
You missed my point with that comment quite obviously. If you don't understand something, I would advise to either ask in an appropriate way for an understanding or not say anything at all. As the old saying says 'If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'.
 
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