Time to split up with China?

[MrTras]

Hi!

In some few days, Ill reach Gunpowder Age, and until now Ive playing with China, because at the beggining I used the experience from an old account (which I reached medieval too), and I though having a defensive nation with some good strategies its a nice idea for a very competitive player like me. After learning from mistakes, watching replays and asking my alliance mates, I see the defensive bonus from China is completly useless, and Korea seems a better nation for war players. My question: is China good at the future? I always look for the tomorrow, and I dont mind staying in a nation if when I reach industrial or higher ages Ill have a nice war nation, however I dont think you are going to tell me that xD. So, if China is not good at harder ages like global or atomic, which nation should I revolt? I want to know it in "general terms", I mean I use the typical strategy of "shooters and artillery" for winning (the trending strategy) but I still wanna know about other nations like Germany that are good for war.
Ive fun with heavy infatry, but I stopped using them because I dont know how to play with them agaisnt medieval and + ages.

TLR: if China is not good, what nation should I revolt to, and what are the best now for WW?

Sorry if Ive made some mistakes in English still learning it

Bye!

 

[Quovatis]

Depends what you prioritize. Chinese, Greek, and Japanese are very useless at the later ages. I started off as Chinese and went to German. I'm happy. All the other nations have good merits too, it's a tough choice.

 

[vincentdang4]

Of the three civilizations that have archers/shooters for unique unit (Korea, Britain, and China), for most purposes, the Chinese unique unit is the weakest one. The other two (Korea and Britain) are far superior for war, Koreans with the extra tactic and Britain with the extra range. Either of those civilizations would not require a big change in attack style and strategy. If you anyone chooses to remain Chinese, it is for the extra villager. Villager time is the most valuable commodity in this game after crowns.

 

[Veldan]

Yeah, the +1 citizen is really the only reason to be Chinese. Offensively it's weaker than most other nations, and as you already noted the defensive bonus is as good as useless. Most people seem to agree that British, Korean and German are the best war nations, with French closely behind as 4th.

 

[MrTras]

I like the german infantry, but, dont you think HI is a bit useless, or at least underpowered in later ages? because of redoubts, APCs, stronghold, defenders, etc? Ive watched some WW videos at youtube from people who plays at GA-AA, and most of them use shooters+howits, or tanks+heavy tanks+ howits, just 1-2 guys use full infantry rush.

And about Korea and UK I think Korea is quite better; they dont have the extra range (explain me why it is so good, because +1 range is not that much in my opinion), but they do a lot more damage, can refund a bit of resources after raids (not bad but neither the best buff), and they can carry 1 more tactic, what I think is really awesome and usefull, in special in later ages.

France rocks, tanks are the future, but I already use 4 cavalry from mercenaries, so I have more space in barracks to carry with some meat shields. Though about Roma too, but I think its kinda useless and underpowered later.

 

[snes1]

I played Chinese till Atomic, it is indeed weak and not the future-proof thing you are seeking, for that very thing I went Roman and so far it's been great. The +10% army should be the definitive "future" factor you mentioned, I don't know about the ages after Atomic yet, shall see.

 

[Woody82]

Most people seem to agree that British, Korean and German are the best war nations, with French closely behind as 4th.

Really, the Germans? I just advised a guy from my team who sucked big time to switch from Germans to French. What good exactly is German in war?
- If I am not mistaken, that battle bonus they got after avictory does not apply to war
- Their special unit kinda sucks, unless you compose half your entire army of it (which he wa snot, he didnt even use it at all)
- No other perks I can think off, whereas as French you have the awesome tank and the extra alliance troop space.

 

[Wendy]

-Teutonic Fury applies in war!!!
-The special unit can be devastating if you know how to use it, even in small numbers, or in AA spawning from APCs
-The longer and more frequent rally is a game changer especially in later ages when you need a proper plan to took down a base.

Not to be rude, but imho french are among the worst nations for war, while they probably are the best for multi and economics.
In any case germans are the BEST on the fingers of an experienced player, so, if the guy sucked you may have been giving the right suggestion

 

[Danix den Andre]

If he sucked, he would be better off with british

 

[Woody82]

Ah, didnt know Teutonic fury applied to war.
But yeah, his current standard plan of attack was to send in 6 knights, some mortars and then shooters. So I figured switching to French would allow him to retain as much of his plan of attack, but at least have a special unit in there which he actually utilises. And the added allied troops ensured he could get another howitzer from me.

Wendy, no offense taken as I didn't encounter any rudeness at all (but I do disagree that French would be the worst for War )
Just a question: what do you mean with French being good for multi? You mean for when you use multiple accounts?

 

[Mountainking]

Good for multiplayer (non war)
Fast retrain times. Better tanking in MP games. More alliance troops received. NO other perks than the alliance gate bonus for wars. Tanking is of limited interest in wars especially when you have mercs.

 

[Woody82]

Ah, doi, I could have figured that multi stood for multiplayer game
I still like my French tanks a lot for war, and succesful with them too. As for merc's, i usually equip them also with tanks, got two regiments attacking from two sides of the base that way

 

[Kaiser Shag]

I started as chinese and kept it until I reached enlightement age, after this I switched to french and it's far more better, the tanks S35 are excellent, you have extra troops and over all the reduced time to train your army is a fine bonus when you do a 2 hour farming for example.

 

[Andrewdsz]

I'm the comeplete opposite. I just switched from roman to Chinese. In this game trust me you can kick ass with any nation until you hit late global. After that war is completely not worth it unless you just play for the pure fun factor. The resources and time you invest into the war is not equal with the loots you getting from it. As a real matter of fact the +1'citizen equals to 5-8% increase of your total progression time which for me is the most important factor of the game. I lotally love Chinese after swapping. And the +1 mercenaries(equal to 10 space if you hire the jagd
anzer) and better rifles helps a lot too. Definitely better than roman as atomic Rome only get you 15 spaces extra troops.

 

[SebQuattro]

Germans are almost as bad as the Japanese in war, the French rock! Even in MP battles, Teutonic fury only increases damage by around 7% and not the supposed 15%. Some of that decrease will be from Library/ University research, but even on Generals it still seems around 7%.

By the time you add high level coalitions, that will decrease even further. The French tanks though not only have higher base stats, but they also gain more from University/ Coalitions upgrades.

 

[Wendy]

i mean, exactly what mountainking said in the next comment.Faster retrain means with a TB you can do about double multiplayer battles than any other nation can, wich basically means 2x resources. You can use 30 raider in a battle and have them ready after 2 minutes. And, as mountainking said, i think tanks are good to take down defenses and make you survive your troops, but in war, where defenses are closer to each other and layout are tougher, Tanks AI can go crazy and make them useless. This is not an universal truth of course, i just see that french players have harder time to take down FC bases for ex, than a korean a brit or a German would

 

[Wendy]

SebQuattro whaaat? Have you ever seen an experienced player's war attack with germans? they can take down every base in 1.30 secs. Teutonic fury fully applies in war. Teutonic fury makes all troops special, even planes, it's an OP bonus, and longer and more frequent rallies make you do whatever you want with your army. Of course, you have to know what you are doing.
If tanks are what you look for in war, Greek tanks are even better than french. I'm not saying french are bad, is the nation i'd chose if i ever swap from brits, but definitely are not a war nation. If war is your goal Germans brits or Koreans are the choice, then maybe Romans and french.
ask Dampkring he was brit, french and now germans, and he's one of the best attackers i've seen in the game. he can tell no doubt that french are the worst nation for war among the 3. watch our YT chanel (wendy dampkring dominations) to understand what i'm talking about

 

[Wendy]

i think the beuty of romans is that you can try tons of different combinations of armies

 

[Dampkring]

SebQuattro First things first, there's no way you can calculate the amount of effective bonus TF gives you as it's not applied until the units are deployed. Secondly all the players and I include those who play with germans, that think that the real bonus for German nation is TF didn't quite understand this game in my opinion. The real bonus is rallies, they last twice as much and are available 5 seconds earlier, which means you can rally 3 times and still be in time for QV, which means in the first 1m15s your troops can be boosted for 30 seconds, which ensures QV. As for the troop, besides british shooters, I think footies are the best troop to have as unique troop because it really makes APCs OP and if well used APCs make your army untouchable and much faster than an army that uses any kind of tank or only shooters+ranged combo. footies have one problem: they die a lot if you use them to protect your army and not only to wipe out what's left, APCs solve that problem making new footies spawn after the first ones die, this way mortars, towers and anti tank guns are completely useless and spawning tanks are easily killed, if that wasn't enough, footies also spot traps and suffer ambush traps/landmines instead of your howies, giving you a lot of firepower throughout the whole attack. As Wendy said I used to be british, went french and now I'm german and I've never been better at attacking than now. So I'm sorry but I don't think you can say that germans are not suitable for wars, because that's just not true, if you're not convinced yet take a look at my youtube channel, you can find a lot of german attacks there that I recorded myself https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC21eT2tBWZp83E8DNcnPpHw