Museum / Coalitions / Council Stats

Lyonz · Oct 4, 2023

It says in the museum that -85% debuff is max, does this only apply to the museum? Does coalitions add on top? Same question about the council? As I’m getting a lot of mixed messages…

Lyonz · Oct 5, 2023

@TheWise @Harlems369th

Harlems369th · Oct 5, 2023

Lyonz said:
It says in the museum that -85% debuff is max, does this only apply to the museum? Does coalitions add on top? Same question about the council? As I’m getting a lot of mixed messages…

The -85% debuff cap takes into account all sources. These are not individual caps from each space.

Lyonz · Oct 5, 2023

Harlems369th said:
The -85% debuff cap takes into account all sources. These are not individual caps from each space.

So if “Filipino Coalition” has -68% air troop damage only -17% can be added from museum or council it’s a hard cap? @Harlems369th

Lyonz · Oct 5, 2023

Attackers on the other hand has no cap? So could have 300% fighters… how’s a defender supposed to defend against that? Unless the debuff applies after the attackers %?

Dracula3811 · Oct 6, 2023

Lyonz said:
Attackers on the other hand has no cap? So could have 300% fighters… how’s a defender supposed to defend against that? Unless the debuff applies after the attackers %?

Museum effects on your stuff is always applied before interaction with the opposing museum's effects.

Fyi, with rare exception, this game has been offense focused. Source: I've been playing since the beginning and that's my observations.

ahyo1217 · Oct 7, 2023

Harlems369th said:
The -85% debuff cap takes into account all sources. These are not individual caps from each space.

If the sum of parameters inside Museum A is -150%,
and the parameters inside Museum B are +80%,
does this result in -5% or -70%?
thanks

@Harlems369th

Harlems369th · Oct 9, 2023

ahyo1217 said:
If the sum of parameters inside Museum A is -150%,
and the parameters inside Museum B are +80%,
does this result in -5% or -70%?
thanks

@Harlems369th

The answer to your question would be -5%.

We've not introduced the changes that we proposed in sitrep #1 (here). This is something that we could revisit, but currently don't have plans to do so.

Monte Carlo · Oct 9, 2023

I have a similar question!
In council under active war benefits, does the stat line “+20% defender spawn speed near wonders” equate to an additional -20% defender spawn time if the defensive building is near a wonder?

@Harlems369th

ahyo1217 · Oct 9, 2023

Harlems369th said:
The answer to your question would be -5%.

We've not introduced the changes that we proposed in sitrep #1 (here). This is something that we could revisit, but currently don't have plans to do so.

@Harlems369th
Thank you for your response, but I have tested it on my end, and the "Enemy Guard Production Time Reduction" does not apply a pre-applied limit of -85% before calculation. However, the "Enemy All Towers HP Reduction" does indeed apply as you mentioned.

Is there a difference in the design of these two features? I have notes on this, but they are presented in Chinese, so I didn't directly provide them to you for viewing. If you need them, I can provide them, along with the verification method and results.

Furthermore, the results of my verification are conclusions that have been reviewed by several players, not just my personal claims.

Harlems369th · Oct 9, 2023

Monte Carlo said:
I have a similar question!
In council under active war benefits, does the stat line “+20% defender spawn speed near wonders” equate to an additional -20% defender spawn time if the defensive building is near a wonder?

That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.

ahyo1217 said:
@Harlems369th
Thank you for your response, but I have tested it on my end, and the "Enemy Guard Production Time Reduction" does not apply a pre-applied limit of -85% before calculation. However, the "Enemy All Towers HP Reduction" does indeed apply as you mentioned.

Is there a difference in the design of these two features? I have notes on this, but they are presented in Chinese, so I didn't directly provide them to you for viewing. If you need them, I can provide them, along with the verification method and results.

Furthermore, the results of my verification are conclusions that have been reviewed by several players, not just my personal claims.

You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?

Rollin · Oct 9, 2023

What does „Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum“ this mean @Harlems369th ??? can you explain that ? maybe using an example ?

Lyonz · Oct 9, 2023

It would be useful having an in-game calculator across museum/council/coalitions so it’s clear to see the stats.

Harlems369th · Oct 9, 2023

Rollin said:
What does „Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum“ this mean @Harlems369th ??? can you explain that ? maybe using an example ?

Defensive Drone Spawns immediately, and you can't reduce that time further.

Lyonz · Oct 9, 2023

Harlems369th said:
That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.

You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?

What’s the max % for defender spawn time before it doesn’t work if there is a cap?

King Crimson · Oct 9, 2023

Lyonz said:
It would be useful having an in-game calculator across museum/council/coalitions so it’s clear to see the stats.

It would be great to have an in-game calculator for ALL stat boosts. Wonders, Uni, Museums, Library, everything!

ahyo1217 · Oct 10, 2023

Harlems369th said:
That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.

You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?

Thank you for your response, and all concerns regarding the -85% limit have been clarified.
Previously, the response we received from the Chinese customer service center for Asian players was that 200 + -200 = 0%.

We understand that this should have originally been 115%, and there has been no change.
Therefore, the information we received did not match your previous response, which is why we conducted the tests to confirm.
Your current explanation aligns with our testing results,
and we appreciate your response once again.

Harlems369th · Oct 10, 2023

Lyonz said:
What’s the max % for defender spawn time before it doesn’t work if there is a cap?

There is no maximum delay.

The fastest you can spawn a defender is 2 seconds.

Maxis · Oct 12, 2023

I haven't heard a better explanation from the developers. Thanks Harlem!
The biggest issue there is that we can't see the actual war stats or spawn time or anything and it needs lots of testing. Please implement a way for us to be able to see the DPS of war mortars for example after the Museum, Uni, Library, Coals, Council and ...

Monte Carlo · Nov 29, 2023

@Harlems369th
Do museum/council troop buffs also affect those troops on defense?

For example, if the artifact/councilor line is +10% Bazooka or Heavy Tank Damage, would rocket arsenal/bunker troops gain the buff on defense as well?

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