Hannibal... is he worth it?

[Alexey]

Here’s the question that I’m thinking about - is Hannibal worth upgrading? He does have a lot of useful abilities together with completely useless like 1 citizen reduction for a castle and war academy. But he’s definitely a long-term leader, I haven’t made the count but expect something about 0,5 - 1 year of upgrading taking a lot of workers at the last stages. I stopped doing long-term leaders after announcing of 220 lvl requirement for CWA, and now l’m leveling for SA. We don’t know SA lvl yet, but in any case upgrading Hannibal tree means loosing worker-days and delaying transition to the next age. So I can’t decide is it worth spending time on him) What are your thoughts?

 

[yemen]

I think we are looking at less than 6 months, not a year like the other leaders. And a number of the researches have a lot fewer steps.

In any case, if you are playing the war game, you need all the mercenary boosts. Getting tactics upgrade time down will be nice. And a 30% boost to general hitpoints will make them much better silo bait, and the reduced upgrade time / cost won't hurt anyone. So given all of that, I would say do it. You won't be on even footing with your opponents otherwise.

 

[Esiebert7625]

Look at my other thread, I have Hannibal already. Resource wise he’s pretty minimal, under 45k oil for any of his levels. The research times get fairly long though, some of the later ones are up to 15 days. He looks to be a fairly decent general at 21, I expect he’ll be a great general when you get him over 30. It’s also just not him attacking, you get 2 other units with him. His tree includes merc and general boosts which is very valuable so I would focus on those, most of his other boosts are pretty mediocre though except for General oil research reduction.

 

[Exiliado]

For me, the touchstone for University is whether it makes the XP marathon more enjoyable enough to slow down for a while, which I did for three months this summer to focus on key offensive researches before going to Global age (most notably +30% DPS to heavy infantry, shooters, and artillery). Nothing in Hannibal quite makes the cut IMO.

I am most interested in the cost reduction for upgrading Generals, to the point that I might hold off on upgrading any Generals until it is complete. But for me as a Global age player, the point is possibly going to be moot, because the semi-annual rush events will go along with my advancing ages every six months before ever getting back to University and upgrading most Generals. In fact in this marathon for XP I may never get back to University before early 2020, unless I carve out another exception. But there would have to be a good enough reason and right now it isn't clear. Key offensive researches easily justify the tradeoff in XP, the rest, not so much. The ones I might consider most would be for tanks, heavy tanks, and bazookas; a portion of Hannibal might fit in if I stop to do those sometime next year.

EDIT: I forgot to mention Amelia. I'll definitely have to squeeze that in.

 

[Esiebert7625]

The general oil upgrade reduction is huge when you factor in how many levels you upgrade all your generals. The Suleiman reduction is mediocre (10%), but the Hannibal reduction is big (30%).

 

[Dhruv patel]

What is his rate of elephant summoning and is it war elephant or mahout (elephant archers OP)

 

[yemen]

The time reduction on general upgrades and tactic upgrades is clearly worthwhile. So are the mercenary and general HP boosts, the mercenary damage boost, and probably the worker reduction on fort and war academy (and you have to do those to get to higher level ones anyway). The oil savings on general upgrades is also valuable.

So the odds are, you will do 75% of the tree just for valuable upgrades. Back filling the rest to get the general is probably worth while at some point.

 

[phraxos]

He is much stronger than the other generals same level, no?

 

[Esiebert7625]

A comparison of my generals, i don't now how his companion elephants play into it and what their stats are. They attack independently of Hannibal and can wander off and attack other targets.

Hannibal at level 29:
Hitpoints - 54,288
DPS - 1,331
DPS against Generals - 9,320

MacArthur at 31:
Hitpoints - 33,013
DPS - 1,155
DPS against Generals - 8,091

Joan at 36:
Hitpoints - 62,358
DPS - 847
DPS against Generals - 5,929

Napoleon at 39:
Hitpoints - 46,528
DPS - 1,238
DPS against Generals - 8,671

Churchill at 41:
Hitpoints - 70,940
DPS - 1,509
DPS against Generals - 10,565

 

[yemen]

So Churchill may still be top of the pile, but Macarthur is clearly completely outclassed by hannibal on hp and dps. Range 3 vs melee vs one has elephants is an interesting question.

It is going to be interesting deciding between Joan, Napoleon and Hannibal now.

 

[astero]

I am most interested in the cost reduction for upgrading Generals, to the point that I might hold off on upgrading any Generals until it is complete.
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EDIT: I forgot to mention Amelia. I'll definitely have to squeeze that in.

My thoughts exactly, holding off on any general upgrades until that research is complete.

Though overall I don't see Hannibal being important enough until Amelia is 100% complete. Getting that extra plane slot is my priority right now.

 

[yemen]

Just FYI, it will take quite a bit of time to get the general upgrade discount time done. That research costs oil, a number of workers, and days per stage to complete. Think of it like the heavy tank research at leo, just with fewer steps. The first few steps of the higher level researches are still brutal.

 

[FroggyKilla]

That’s pretty solid, can’t wait to complete this tree!