Is Forbidden City useless nowadays?

[Hayama]

Its still viable to certain extents

 

[AlexTheGreat]

individual medal counts have nothing to do with world wars.

mmm, do you think a player who excels at WW is likely to be a bad player in MP?
Do you think someone who sucks at world wars is often a great MP player?

Maybe you wanted to write “individual medal count is not in a 1 to 1 relation with WW performances.”

FC makes it harder for people to snag the TC victory star, that's it.

...which, by definition, makes the FC non-useless

In MP, you only have 30 seconds to analyze a base and decide if you want to attack, FC bases have to be analyzed more so attacking a base without FC, it's easier to plan and execute an attack.
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All of this doesn't count in WW, where you have all the time you need to plan out an attack.

I’m sorry, your first statement is correct, but the last isn’t. In WW the FC May be less effective than in MP, I agree.
From this to say that it is useless or that it doesn’t count, there’s a huge difference.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

FC is less effective than before, but nothing from "useless".
And no, not everyone can 5 star any base with FC!

Correct.
Thank you!

 

[Manifesto]

mmm, do you think a player who excels at WW is likely to be a bad player in MP?
Do you think someone who sucks at world wars is often a great MP player?

Maybe you wanted to write “individual medal count is not in a 1 to 1 relation with WW performances.”

...which, by definition, makes the FC non-useless

I’m sorry, your first statement is correct, but the last isn’t. In WW the FC May be less effective than in MP, I agree.
From this to say that it is useless or that it doesn’t count, there’s a huge difference.

Correct.
Thank you!

Wow, you really have a bug up your bùtt about being 'right', don't you?
Ok we get it. You, and 8 out of the top 10 players, like the FC. Fair enough. You win!

 

[KniferX]

mmm, do you think a player who excels at WW is likely to be a bad player in MP?
Do you think someone who sucks at world wars is often a great MP player?

Maybe you wanted to write “individual medal count is not in a 1 to 1 relation with WW performances.”

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Medal counts are irrelevant for most players. Unless you go out chasing medals, at which point you will severely gimp your capability to collect NTGs, the majority of players will be at some arbitrary number of medals at the lower end.
Thus I cannot look at some random player and his medal number, to try to correlate it to his performance in wars. The only thing I can do, when I find a high medal player, is guess that he might be going into wars without NTGs at times.

...which, by definition, makes the FC non-useless

I agree, to avoid this confusion over literal definition, OP should have used the word '''inferior'' because that is what he probably meant.
Still talking in the context of wars.
Wars in which TC quick victory is mostly ignored.

I’m sorry, your first statement is correct, but the last isn’t. In WW the FC May be less effective than in MP, I agree.
From this to say that it is useless or that it doesn’t count, there’s a huge difference.

I think both of my statements are correct, the majority of FCs usefulness is negated by the fact you can plan out your attack and 50% QV. You have 4 troop cards, and you have exposed high HP buildings like vault, markets, mills, refinery, wonders, that you can all snipe with infantry or an infantry troop card like impis.
In any wars that are a competitive affair, Colloseum and Terracotta army are the better choices for the most part. Maybe, the top defense base in a war might benefit from the FC, by making the opponent spread out his troops, but in the vast majority of cases he would've done so anyway, while covering his approach with decoys.
Even then that top player would very likely contribute more in his 2 attacks with the other wonders (time tie breaker, every second counts) than with a wonder that is vulnerable to a method of gaining QV that is already prevalent.
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[rederoin]

Manifesto, that may not mean anything to *you*.

Have you even thought that the choice made by 8 of the 10 top players in the world may be more reliable than your personal opinion?
Go ahead and check the top 50 players, or 100 players, if you have time.
I did it for the top 10 already, and if you think that 8 out of 10 is a pure coincidence, perhaps you don’t know much about probability.

Those people are using bases aimed to prevent any stars lost, war bases are for preventing 4/5 starring your base.

 

[rederoin]

...which, by definition, makes the FC non-useless

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You will never aim for a 1/2-star attack in WW.

 

[Davina]

I use FC. For my town base it is buried bottom left in a cut out section of forest and 95% of attackers do not spot it. The last 6 attacks on my base have been 0/5 stars and I have gained around 150 medals without attacking. Even up in Kingdom League people miss it 80% of the time but most adjust mid attack and drop extra troops once they realise (not always though).

For World War base design with FC, most attackers will go for the 50% QV. You need to protect your mills/markets behind walls and spread them out (more like a town base). Additionally, you should design the base to control where the enemy will deploy their troops (one or two attractive spots) and then make sure the oil refinery and vault are a long way from this point (and still protected).

With clever base design the FC can still be very effective but most base designs aren't.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Wow, you really have a bug up your bùtt about being 'right', don't you?
Ok we get it. You, and 8 out of the top 10 players, like the FC. Fair enough. You win!

No, you really do NOT get it - and I’m afraid you wouldn’t if I explained it 10 times to you.
You didn’t even reply the message that matters (#28), not a word, perhaps you don’t have much to say except taking guesses.

 

[sponge]

No, you really do NOT get it - and I’m afraid you wouldn’t if I explained it 10 times to you.
You didn’t even reply the message that matters (#28), not a word, perhaps you don’t have much to say except taking guesses.
Yep, you must have been the first in your class!

You clearly have no idea how they play at the top. And no, these are not top players, these are players that snipe tc to get medals, that's all they do in higher leagues, and that's how they play in pvp. And having most medals doesn't make you top player, ever. And that's why they pick FC, to prevent quick snipes and medal loss. I've been there and done that.

Back to original question, yes, FC is useless now unless you're getting attacked by total noob. Every experienced attacker will ignore it and go after 50% qv. So enjoy that food bonus every day, that's what FC is good for these days.

 

[BeerMan]

Well said, but you can't reason with this guy. He used the same argument to "prove" that all top players use Germans.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

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Medal counts are irrelevant for most players.

Define “most” players. 70% of the world players? 30%? 50% plus one?
And who told you that, some people on this forum? Your group of friends? An article on the Washington Post?
Sorry for the sarcasm, your reply shows you are a smart guy but I’m amazed when somebody makes a statement on the preferences of “most” of 30+ million players as if it was a provable truth.

Unless you go out chasing medals, at which point you will severely gimp your capability to collect NTGs, the majority of players will be at some arbitrary number of medals at the lower end.

The folks who are in Kingdom, Empire and Dinasty ARE out chasing medals.
It is ONE of the goals of this game, together with developing your base and fighting wars for an alliance.

The “majority” of players will be at some arbitrary number of medals between the top and the bottom of the ranking (not necessarily at the lower end) because not everyone 1)can be at the top or 2)cares to be at the top.

Thus I cannot look at some random player and his medal number, to try to correlate it to his performance in wars.

Dude, these are NOT random players. They are 16 out of those 20 in the WORLD that have the highest medal count...

Please read my message #28 - the other fella didn’t get it, but you may: do you know what the chances are that 16 players out of 20 *randomly* pick the same wonder out of 4 possible choices?

The only thing I can do, when I find a high medal player, is guess that he might be going into wars without NTGs at times.

High medal players go to war after they form coalitions and coalitions require NTG.

I think both of my statements are correct, the majority of FCs usefulness is negated by the fact you can plan out your attack and 50% QV.

A *part* of the FC usefulness is affected - not negated - by having 24 hours to plan your war attack.
Another part was affected by the introduction of the Missile Silo.
Still, a well planned base with a FC compels the attacker to complicate his strategy. It has been well explained by another player in this thread.

In any wars that are a competitive affair, Colloseum and Terracotta army are the better choices for the most part.
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IN case it’s still not clear: I am NOT saying that FC is necessarily better of Colosseum or Terra-cotta.
I’m saying it’s far from being useless like some have defined it AND apparently the opinion of 16 of the top 20 world players (by medals, ok...) is that it’s pretty damn useful!

Have a good weekend!

 

[AlexTheGreat]

And having most medals doesn't make you top player, ever.

What makes you a top player?

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And that's why they pick FC, to prevent quick snipes and medal loss. I've been there and done that.

Back to original question, yes, FC is useless now unless you're getting attacked by total noob.

I don’t know if you can see it but you contradicted yourself in two consecutive statements.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Well said, but you can't reason with this guy. He used the same argument to "prove" that all top players use Germans.
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Either you didn’t read well or you cant understand.
Never said that all top players use Germans.
I wrote that a large majority of the top 10 use Germans therefore Germans is most likely the strongest nation at the highest (medal) level.

Get it? Or too much beer?

 

[Bootney Lee Fonsworth]

Ha! 30+ million players. If there were even a quarter that many active unique players I don't think the devs would have so wholeheartedly committed to whaling in the past year or so. Throwing that out there really strains your credibility, big guy. Still, quite an entertaining thread though.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Ha! 30+ million players. If there were even a quarter that many active unique players I don't think the devs would have so wholeheartedly committed to whaling in the past year or so. Throwing that out there really strains your credibility, big guy. Still, quite an entertaining thread though.

Glad you are entertained, pal. But the number of total players isn’t the point. We know that the number of active players is much smaller.
What we are discussing here is how people think to be able to guess the intentions of millions of players without any chance to verify them and then disregard the verified choices of those who are at the top of (one of the) ranking.

 

[sponge]

Either you didn’t read well or you cant understand.
Never said that all top players use Germans.
I wrote that a large majority of the top 10 use Germans therefore Germans is most likely the strongest nation at the highest (medal) level.

Get it? Or too much beer?

No, I didn't contradict myself, OP question was about FC in wars. You chose to derail the discussion by making nonsensical arguments about "top" players. Again, medals don't mean a thing in this game, they don't make you top player, question was about FC in wars. Go and see what players in top alliances have, and then draw conclusions. Medals leaderboard is a meaningless relict of pre-war times.

 

[BeerMan]

Either you didn’t read well or you cant understand.
Never said that all top players use Germans.
I wrote that a large majority of the top 10 use Germans therefore Germans is most likely the strongest nation at the highest (medal) level.

Get it? Or too much beer?

What you don't seem to understand is that the medal chasers play the game in a completely different manner to 99% of the Dominations population. FC makes perfect sense for the medal chasers in order to minimize TC sniping against their base, while Germans are good for TC sniping due to their beefy infantry and Teutonic Fury.

So yes, for your tiny little slice of the population, FC makes perfect sense. For those of us duking it out in leaderboard wars, it is far less useful/popular.

Get it?

 

[AlexTheGreat]

Again, medals don't mean a thing in this game, they don't make you top player.

What makes you a top player?

 

[AlexTheGreat]

the medal chasers play the game in a completely different manner to 99% of the Dominations population.

Another number thrown there out of one’s personal opinion, without any possible verification or real link to reality.