Loonbuster
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Well said, I called it ‘moronic and senseless ‘
New UI is garbage.
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boomboomboom
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Feedback : crap
Snarlylemming
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Changes are terrible and not more fluid
everyone in my alliance hates this change.
everyone in my alliance hates this change.
BHG_Muet
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Thank you everyone for the continued feedback and thoughts about what you dislike with the new ordering. The team has been reading this thread (and others) and will be discussing in more detail today. Keep the feedback coming; there's been some good discussion about how each of you interact with the tray in this thread!
Well one thing I've noticed from reading this thread, is that while everyone who's posted seems to agree that the new layout isn't good, there's LOTS of differing opinions on what is good. So I'm not sure Nexon can appease everyone here! Having said all that, lets chime in with my two cents.
My preferred order: Rally > Planes > War Tactics > Wonder Ability > Army > Alliance Troop > Merc Troop
OR
Rally > Planes > War Tactics > Wonder Ability > Merc Troop > Alliance Troop > Army
Rationale for #1: In War, I almost always deploy parts of my army first, and then my alliance and/or merc troops. Or, even if I swap the order around slightly, those are the first three things being deployed. Then, once the war is progressing, I focus on my planes, and then timely use of war tactics & wonder abilities (which I just view as another form of tactics). So, swipe to the right to deploy my armies, then swipe back to the left so that I have on 1 screen my rally, planes, and tactics. This avoids me having to swipe back and forth now past the initial deployment
Rationale for #2: Similar to #1, the only difference is modified slightly for multi attack gameplay, where I seldom use Merc troops (and sometimes alliance). In this scenario I just swipe right, and deploy my stuff on the right. Then I swipe back left and use my rally & planes.
There are a few people who posted suggestions of putting armies all the way to the left, and more seldom to use items like tactics to the right. I get the rationale from a "i use this most put to the left (i.e. army), and this stuff less put to the right (tactics)", but I personally don't like that ordering because in the heat of a WAR battle, I don't want to be swiping left and right to switch between rally, planes, and tactics.
My preferred order: Rally > Planes > War Tactics > Wonder Ability > Army > Alliance Troop > Merc Troop
OR
Rally > Planes > War Tactics > Wonder Ability > Merc Troop > Alliance Troop > Army
Rationale for #1: In War, I almost always deploy parts of my army first, and then my alliance and/or merc troops. Or, even if I swap the order around slightly, those are the first three things being deployed. Then, once the war is progressing, I focus on my planes, and then timely use of war tactics & wonder abilities (which I just view as another form of tactics). So, swipe to the right to deploy my armies, then swipe back to the left so that I have on 1 screen my rally, planes, and tactics. This avoids me having to swipe back and forth now past the initial deployment
Rationale for #2: Similar to #1, the only difference is modified slightly for multi attack gameplay, where I seldom use Merc troops (and sometimes alliance). In this scenario I just swipe right, and deploy my stuff on the right. Then I swipe back left and use my rally & planes.
There are a few people who posted suggestions of putting armies all the way to the left, and more seldom to use items like tactics to the right. I get the rationale from a "i use this most put to the left (i.e. army), and this stuff less put to the right (tactics)", but I personally don't like that ordering because in the heat of a WAR battle, I don't want to be swiping left and right to switch between rally, planes, and tactics.
In my opinion, the most useful order would be this:
Rally - Planes - Regular Troops - Alliance Gate Troops - Generals - Tactics [These to the left are the most commonly used deployments used in MP] - Mercs - Wonder Building Tactics - Stronghold TTs
Some people suggested having things disappear from your tray once you use them and shift everything left, but that I think would cause problems when you're trying to pick things out of the list and stuff keeps shifting. You're going to end up selecting the wrong one as stuff moves around. Better to keep it in place and grey it out like is done.
Rally - Planes - Regular Troops - Alliance Gate Troops - Generals - Tactics [These to the left are the most commonly used deployments used in MP] - Mercs - Wonder Building Tactics - Stronghold TTs
Some people suggested having things disappear from your tray once you use them and shift everything left, but that I think would cause problems when you're trying to pick things out of the list and stuff keeps shifting. You're going to end up selecting the wrong one as stuff moves around. Better to keep it in place and grey it out like is done.
Esiebert7625
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This ^^^^ I would prefer Rally/Planes to be fixed/non-scrollable though as you are constantly going back to those
BHG_Muet
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Just to set expectations: We can't quickly turn around a system that allows full customization for everyone or locking planes (I'd also be hesitant to lock planes due to considerations for SD devices that have full plane slots and the big red button). Major changes like those aren't being considered right now.
But, we have certainly heard your feedback and are looking at undoing most of the ordering changes. We're currently looking at a change to move Wonder Tactics to the end and to move Troop Tactics to not sit between planes/mainline. The result will more or less be a revert of the ordering changes while keeping some of the other QoL changes (like the removal of empty slots).
But, we have certainly heard your feedback and are looking at undoing most of the ordering changes. We're currently looking at a change to move Wonder Tactics to the end and to move Troop Tactics to not sit between planes/mainline. The result will more or less be a revert of the ordering changes while keeping some of the other QoL changes (like the removal of empty slots).
In the old tray, wonders and troop tactics could be mixed together and not grouped, such as TWTTWWT. If you revert the ordering changes, will these at least be grouped together (TTTTWWW or WWWTTTT)? I hope that made sense. Thanks for listening to our feedback!
This troop bar change is horrible and it’s not a matter of getting use to it... it makes no sense to have one time “special case” troops first in the line. If you want to actually make the UI better and easier to use then
1. Aircraft at the far left
2. Barracks/Factory next
3. Tactics
4. Generals
5. Troop Tactics
when any set of troops if fully deployed (with the exception of planes) grey it out and move it to the far right so deployables are always on the screen.
1. Aircraft at the far left
2. Barracks/Factory next
3. Tactics
4. Generals
5. Troop Tactics
when any set of troops if fully deployed (with the exception of planes) grey it out and move it to the far right so deployables are always on the screen.
The old deployment tray was not in a perfect order, but the new one is worse. Moving troop tactics to the left end is stupid. Put the war tactics on the left, then the aircraft, then the mercenaries, then heavy tanks, then ordinary tanks, and put the troop tactics back at the right end.
I’ve remarked before that it appears that no one at BHG actually plays this game, and this is another example. Why not ASK US before changing things around? What you have done is increased the number of times we have to go all the way from one end to the other while deploying. Absolutely nobody deploys in the order you have put things in. Crazy.
I’ve remarked before that it appears that no one at BHG actually plays this game, and this is another example. Why not ASK US before changing things around? What you have done is increased the number of times we have to go all the way from one end to the other while deploying. Absolutely nobody deploys in the order you have put things in. Crazy.
Bootney Lee Fonsworth
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Thank you for communicating your intentions with us. As somebody who has wasted a blitzkrieg in an inconsequential multiplayer raid even this small, logical change represents improvement. Perhaps in the future when considering changes like this you could present 3 or 4 options in our inboxes that we could vote on? Clearly there will be no satisfying everyone, but having our opinions considered before making fundamental changes may see a significant reduction in the rancor that comes from such massive and clearly unpopular changes?
Ultimately, we all want this game to do well and have a long future. The devil, as always, is in the details and the paths taken to get there. Thanks again.
Ultimately, we all want this game to do well and have a long future. The devil, as always, is in the details and the paths taken to get there. Thanks again.
BHG_Muet
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It won't be a full revert. When we made the update we did improve the grouping logic to actually understand things like Wonder Tactics apart from other Tactics. So, for example, you can expect all Wonder Tactics to be grouped together at the end of the tray and not mixed.
King Crimson
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Logically stated.
everyone agrees on:
planes far left, troop tactics far right
differing opinions on:
war tactics are used in middle of battle and needs to be near left vs regular army needs to be near left so we can monitor the number of surviving units.
i will add a couple argument for the regular army to be on the left of war tactics:
there needs to be a separator between regular army and troop tactics. TT - army - tactic is bad because you can mistake a TT for a regular unit. tactic - army - TT will be just as mistakable, except it will be at the other side. we need stuff in between TT and army. army - tactic - TT.
and also, army unit panel can be used as an ‘unselect’ from rally or planes to minimize their accidental usage when you’re viewing the battlefield.
planes far left, troop tactics far right
differing opinions on:
war tactics are used in middle of battle and needs to be near left vs regular army needs to be near left so we can monitor the number of surviving units.
i will add a couple argument for the regular army to be on the left of war tactics:
there needs to be a separator between regular army and troop tactics. TT - army - tactic is bad because you can mistake a TT for a regular unit. tactic - army - TT will be just as mistakable, except it will be at the other side. we need stuff in between TT and army. army - tactic - TT.
and also, army unit panel can be used as an ‘unselect’ from rally or planes to minimize their accidental usage when you’re viewing the battlefield.
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King Crimson
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If you reverse the changes and go back to the way it was, while making minor QoL changes, that would be great because I don't remember seeing any post from anyone asking for 'improvements' to the troop tray as you suggested in your first post. You're not fooling anyone: putting TTs to the left is purely an attempt to get us to use them by accident.
TTs should be AFTER our regular barracks/factory troops.
kilgore_trout
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Oh is that obvious? It must not be, because my alliance has b2b wars and I'm in everyone of them. It's one thing if you dont like the layout but if you are dropping tts by mistake, thats not nexons fault. You really shouldn't be bringing them into MP battles anyway.
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From left to right
Rally , planes , troops , tactics , alliance tropps troop cards, coalitions card, generals, mercs, wonder tactics, big red button
Key to a war attack is not having to scroll as the troops are at the base
Move 1 ,2,3 in most attacks drop gens and mercs to distract the silo and hit the shuttle tactic and big red button next to each other as I have above
Move 4 and 5 drop cards and troops
Move 6 and 7 rally or assult rally and probably a second tactic like decoy or sabo or protect
Move 8 and 9 planes for troops and a blitz this series is about 20 seconds after move 1-7 and at this point all use ofthe bar that extends to scroll is done now the bar can be used without moving it 45 second into the attack and no chance at opps tactics in multiplayer
Rest of the moves are done as needed through the base
Rally , planes , troops , tactics , alliance tropps troop cards, coalitions card, generals, mercs, wonder tactics, big red button
Key to a war attack is not having to scroll as the troops are at the base
Move 1 ,2,3 in most attacks drop gens and mercs to distract the silo and hit the shuttle tactic and big red button next to each other as I have above
Move 4 and 5 drop cards and troops
Move 6 and 7 rally or assult rally and probably a second tactic like decoy or sabo or protect
Move 8 and 9 planes for troops and a blitz this series is about 20 seconds after move 1-7 and at this point all use ofthe bar that extends to scroll is done now the bar can be used without moving it 45 second into the attack and no chance at opps tactics in multiplayer
Rest of the moves are done as needed through the base
