Upcoming Big Huge Nerf Discussion

[Redgar]

Just not to flood the original topic let's see what new update is bringing us even though all the numbers are not yet clarified.

My assumptions are the following.

Training blessing is getting a hard hit.
Do not buy 'twice longer' duration, because it will be smth like previous factory units nerf. The same effect, but for twice longer times. 1 hour of training blessing as a one-time session offer for a mobile game? Jeez, people! (C) Ironangel

Get used to play tied with a charger cord, slaves of post-modern

Factory on TB is nice, but build times are still too long for a single building to keep up with fighting pace, so it's not gonna be worth of spent crowns.

Building times of gattlings and guerrillas must be returned to their original pre-nerfed values.

Now old good France. Should devs just refund me 500m of gold that I lost for playing british in EA from March? Just upgrade my walls 2 levels up and we're done. Or I wasn't smart enough to guess that 20% faster army build means 500% faster in fact from nation description starting from EA? Just because my british loot % wasn't applied to 20% loot from market/mills making it 33% buff, but real minor 5-10 % applied after, I didn't expect such a surprise, not saying about unfair league rewards for gold leagues where the majority of players play.

But devs have a chance to make it right. They should offer a free switch for EA/IA french players or give them 1000 crowns. Or at least to newer french players who recently switched. Also, they should probably buff French original speed up bonus to 30%, so some people stay.

Also, devs don't have to make players beg for refunds through support, it has to be a standard policy for a certain group of players.

How did we know raiders nerf is coming 1 month before now? Some mods were asking us and didn't believe it. Of course, we hacked db and got an access to all the stats, so after some analytics done we made this conclusion. Building times nerf may be just enough, btw. Small ones please.

Okay, but where are the buffs? Our usa elite analytical department having access to all top player stats claims that soldiers need one, non-british/korean gunmen also, and tanks need higher dmg vs walls instead of outdated nerf vs storage buildings.

Conclusions.
Ah, Too long post. You make them

 

[Tipek]

Frankly, I'll be unable to play if raiders are nerfed to the ground. I play on an old device, so using anything other than raiders (especially large armies with trains/cannons) crashes my game 9 raids out of 10.

Besides, its not like anything in this update should come as a surprise.

 

[Chompman]

Frankly, I'll be unable to play if raiders are nerfed to the ground. I play on an old device, so using anything other than raiders (especially large armies with trains/cannons) crashes my game 9 raids out of 10.

Besides, its not like anything in this update should come as a surprise.

Do you have a halfway decent computer?

If so you can always use programs like bluestacks / andy on it.

 

[Redgar]

Methinks they may have lower dmg, but higher multiplier vs resource buildings to make them less universal unit.

Also, building times. Old device should work better with fewer and slower units, so tanks spam sniping is the way to go for you. Add some wall sappers though.

 

[Gambrinus]

my 2¢ is that BHG will lose money and players if they do anything other than add factory & air units to the TB. recently I've been use crowns with the retrain button when I'm grinding for medals, but any change to how fast troops train will make me not want to pay the higher price in crowns and I'll eventually lose interest, as there is nothing to do in game while your army cooks.

 

[Ravenlord]

Frankly, I'll be unable to play if raiders are nerfed to the ground. I play on an old device, so using anything other than raiders (especially large armies with trains/cannons) crashes my game 9 raids out of 10.

The game is not to blame for your crashing. Do yourself a favour - get an android. (I have several)

 

[dbukalski]

Gambrinus...20min army training is normal for these types of games. U might as well stick with this gamw and its still much better training situation

 

[Gambrinus]

you know I'll be here, i just want them to leave the TB alone... nerfing the TB, so we stay in game longer, with nothing fun to do in game when the army cooks is kinda lame. if they add some features or mini games to play while you wait, it would make it better.

 

[Redgar]

First, 1 hour TB is stupid. Yes we play for 1 hour, but I used to make brakes inbetween, etc. it is too long for mobile game and majority of players anyways.

Secondly, dominations is a fast paced game and noone will wait 20 mins to build and loose an army. This game is doomed without non-stop combats.

Also, it is huge advantage for all those cheats we kinda got used to because we can compete with them now, but we ll have much less chances after nerf.

If they had competitive envoronment, it would be one thing, but now they don't. So I feel there may be huge players decline.

 

[Tipek]

Did you even read my post? If so, maybe try again. I'm aware it's my device.

 

[dbukalski]

It wont be 20 mins redgar. With tb nerf and raider nerf i expect 7min training time. Theres no other game in the genre thats better. Its usually 30 mins retrain and that is very boring

Currently 1min training + 2 min searching opponents + 2 min battle = 5min in between medals

New will be 7 min training time + immediate opponent found + 2 min battle = 9 min between battles

9 mins between battles is much better than

30 min train + 2 min battle in other games. Dominations will still be 3x more battles per hour

 

[Redgar]

9 mins if we find how to work it out without htanks and zeps

 

[Redgar]

So devs are still guessing wheather they will leave the french formula as is making their buff 10% or will apply 20% correctly.

What option do you think is better? If the word better can be applied here lol

 

[Gambrinus]

they need to have the formula for French adjusted to be
(training time -TB%) -French bonus %
and not the current
training time -(TB% + French bonus%)

then leave all bonus exactly at the % they are currently

 

[Redgar]

Or even buff it to 30% to keep the nation attractive and more balanced I also support formula change which is wrong currently

 

[polo1967]

Just my opinion, but I for one understand the need for BHG to make a profit and at times I feel that a lot of people expect a lot for free or nearly nothing. I think a lot of people are annoyed with the fact that without some type of alliance war feature, this game is basically a sign on, play a couple battles, do an upgrade or two, village builder game. Although I do buy crowns twice a month, I have to side with the players. As much as I enjoy the game, I'm beginning to wonder if all my efforts (and purchases) will pay off in the end. Hopefully someone in the BHG community or one of the players can start a forum on what direction the devs are going with the alliance feature or suggestions from the players on what the want or expect for alliance wars. I would hate to be blindsided by a feature that I find unappealing or unplayable. I'm not sure if this idea has been discussed and if it has been, can someone post a link or point me in the direction to where I could find this info.

 

[Redgar]

Well they did post a weekly feedback message about alliance wars. May be even twice, so you can search it on forums. Be sure, a number of good ideas were delivered to them. But why do we need an alliance wars if the game makes big huge steps towards pay/cheat-to-win closing options for non-paying active players one by one.

 

[Gambrinus]

it's irrelevant to me if it's a 20% or 30% buff, i just want the math done right where France gets just their bonus apply after TB time is calculated. they should get a nice bonus, but not a crazy huge bonus.

 

[Hunter Killer]

Realistically, there was already a flaw in the way BHG is doing maths with that training blessing and the French. The percentage should be multiplicative, not additive. They realised they made an error when training reduction time was more than 100% so they decreased the TB in a earlier patch. This time, they are probably going to get the formula right.

When you have a 20% reduction time on something, it means that if other nations take 100 secs to train a unit, it will only take 80 secs for the French i.e. 100 * (1 - 0.2).

If you add TB (77% reduction), it means that other nations will produce a regular unit in 100 * (1 - 0.77) = 23 secs.

For the French with TB, what should be done from a correct mathematical point of view is 100 * (1 - 0.2) * (1 - 0.77) = 18.4 secs i.e. the TB gives a 77% boost on your base unit training time, which is already 20% faster than other nations.

I'm not saying I'm happy with the change because I enjoy battling non-stop and this may remove some of my interest in the game. There will be absolutely nothing left to do once you are high in age where upgrades take weeks and hitting the ceiling with the medal ladder.

But let's be honest, whoever came up with the formula 100 * (1 - (0.2 + 0.77)) hasn't properly understood how percentages work. So that would have eventually changed.

 

[Redgar]

Yea hunter, I was among the first ones who reported this obvious malfunction a couple of months before after we did some loot battles with dbuk and I received a responce 'it works as intented', so I switched only after that, caz it felt like exploit, really.

It took them a while to realize how wrong it is and it kinda told me alot about their professional/mathematical skills ))) they were busy with adding those speed up buttons probably untill they realized that everybody becomes french and french do not pay.

Just to avoid making it right, first they nerfed training blessing, caz french army was building completely immidiatelly before. Now they're trying both and I am still not sure they'll change the formula ))) may be they just will make french bonus 10% in the old formula.

So instead of fixing french, they again harras all other underpowered and stragling nations and nerfing TB. So players who still paid for army speed ups will stop doing so.

I don't care about money they earn but besides technical issues, they made HUNDREDS of critical balance mistakes and thousands of minor ones. All of those are responsible for them not being top-10 grossing game competing side by side with clash of clans providing 10 times more fun and earning 10 times more.

BhG team is too soft, too slow, too inmature, but very creative. So we are here to see how it goes )))