“The Road to Better World War Matchmaking” aka Sandbagging!

Phil-Elite

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Did I really need to know much more than what I saw? You guys were more interested in YouTube than the war you just lost! And, yeah I read your battle instructions but let's not go there and stick to what this is about. You guys are not performing and blaming sandbagging and Nexon for being losers. Improve your war-making and you will find sandbagging is not an issue.
 

poop_

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Elitist phil-
I am glad you joined the conversation. You have been able to communicate your side and show how truly ridiculous and slimy it is. I am glad I am not in a "top" alliances with you egos like yours who take shortcuts because they can't figure out another way.

Thank you for sharing.
 

Phil-Elite

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While I find some of your points interesting you cannot escape the reality of fighting and winning. Doesn't matter if the opponent fields sandbags or carpet-baggers, if you don't fight properly you won't succeed. The system is rigged to winning or losing, irrespective of all your comments. It really isn't different for the top teams and players - as it was before Glory came along. Many of the teams are back in the top 100 irrespective of medals or glory - and that points to issues like command, control, communication, and power.

However, teams that spout 'its only a game and playing for fun' who then press Nexon to change the system because it doesn't suit them are pretty hypocritical. It's interesting that the players who have criticised my comments have not challenged me on fighting methods, team tactics, and generalship. There is this view that at the top all the guys do is shatter lessor alliances, which is simply fanciful. There is huge respect between excellent fighters, unfortunately that cannot percolate downwards, and that's where the system falters unlike in normal games.

Teams with strong academies that spend hours working on methods have been doing that for 2 years. The only way to catch up is to go through much of the same pain - there is no real cross-fertilisation of ideas or techniques. And frankly, why should there be if teams have invested heavily. I actually sympathise with players coming up behind because they face new advances by Nexon, those teams invested in the system, and the constant advances in tactics. All the debates about sandbagging however will not soothe your frustration with the game.
 

Phil-Elite

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Ok, show me the fake accounts, where are they, and more to the point who owns them?

If I have a medieval level player in my alliance your saying he's guaranteed to be a sandbag whether he gets trashed twice or scores a couple of stars?

Prove to me there is a team that is full of sandbags and in the top 20.

Show me the tactic in operation, prove it exists, and that facing such a team you cannot win.
 

poop_

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Elitist Phil-
When I think you can't get more elitist....
You have a big assumption here: that teams that aren't in the top 20 and are not for sandbagging must be unskilled and not invested in the game.

You are also implying that alliances that are not in the top 20 don't deserve a say in how the game or wars are run. Their opinion doesn't matter.

You had a choice or your alliance had a choice (although you participating in your alliance is your choice), and you chose to use a glitch to cheat.

You referred to mp battles previously and attacking lower players and how no one complains about that. Yes, this would be an issue if global players were able (and actually did) repeatedly attack iron age players taking all of their resources. If you don't believe that it might make the game less fun for them, just ask those iron age players in your alliance how that would feel. Maybe, that is why they quit the game and aren't active anymore. ;p

Some does percolate. It just takes some extra effort and patience, so generally people with egos don't want to do it. If people like you ran the game, it would be dead within a year.

At this point, you aren't even making an argument; you are just saying how great you are.

Silly, elitist phil...
 

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Excuse me... I wasn't going to comment directly to you because you are not worth my time Phil-Elite but I need to set something straight here. We tied that war and unfortunately drew a loss by .2% ... next war we won by a big margin against a Russian team ... war before the tie was a stalemate with the Borg (an excellent team) and before that win by a big margin against a Korean team, before that win to a Croatian team and before that a 91-99 loss to Sandbaggers LVIV who stacked 4 Iron Age bases. We are currently winning the war we are in 66-24 with 16h left ... Our team works very well together. We have fun together we like warring together and if we want to talk about YouTube or whatever we will do it anytime we want. Contrary to your delusional theory this is a game and it's supposed to be fun. We are having fun... win or lose and that makes all the difference in the world.
 

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Classy move Phil-Elite.

It's people like you that is what is wrong with the forums now a days. HZ let you in out of kindness and you repay by trolling and bitching about us.

Your presence/absence have no impact on us. Honestly....I didn't notice when you came in or when you left. Did you think you can come in and we let you see the inner workings of our team? Lol....what a joke.

We consider each other as friends 1st and for most above all. That includes the game. We just wanna have fun doing something in common even if we are scattered all across the globe.

We win.... Yay.
We loose.... Meh.

1 advice bud... put down that bag of cheetos, have a shower and get out of your mommy's basement. Go make some friends and get a girlfriend.... or boyfriend. Whichever you prefer.

I think I will not have time to reply to you next response, so.... as my good friend dracula once said. Blah blah blah blah blah.....

Have a good day to the rest of you guys. Keep on the siege and have fun. =)
 

Eisenoxyde

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This is the 3rd war in a row my alliance is facing sandbaggers and is probably the last one we're doing until this problem is fixed. Going into a war knowing you have no chance of winning is effing retarded. NEXON, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING????? You've had 4 weeks since you first posted that you're working on it.
 
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poop_

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You should go find christopher and ambria. (I don't know how to tag people...) They made a post somewhere here.

They've got a community of non-sandbaggers and can set up H2Hs. I don't know how it works, but I believe them. :p
 

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hey Eisenoxyde! we have a community set up on discord for setting up head to head matches and just hanging out talking game stuff, christopher set it up and it's been working really well so far, here is the link to the server: https://discord.gg/2sFQzEe
 

Phil-Elite

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Are you really going to blame Nexon for your inability to fight and win? if you go into wars thinking you might be defeated you can't blame Nexon, look closer to home.
 

Chadwicke

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Look Phil aka play the system too win which alliance do you represent? Clearly your defending stacking because it's available you have no honor in battle therefore no skill , skill and honor go hand in hand you may have some Glory or as much Glory as a paper champion can have . As for you saying people don't know how to war do you mean stack to get better matches ,well that's not war skill that's coward skill. Duck the competition of alliances that built high level alliances who can only lose when someone like you fixes the match . Real war skill there wow, as a united States Major in the army I now a coward when it comes to war. This isn't skill do you all high five when you max score every war , if you see nothing else Glory doesn't equal honor and honor in war is by far more valuable than glory.
 

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OK, Here is ONE thing i do not understand now. These TOP alliances now are full of iron-medieval age accounts. And some people are claiming that they are not sandbagging or hoping for easier opponents. Wt.... really??? where are gone those 2k medal minimum req to stay on your alliances? where those min 130 lvl on min industrial age limits gone??? and for some alliances they still exists, but how those low level-medal bases got in then?? stop pretending that suddenly you all become so friendly that you alowed 5 or 10 low level accounts to enter your elite squads!! probably before glory they were booted in a few seconds if someone alowed to join those strongest alliances.
 

S_How

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OK, Here is ONE thing i do not understand now. These TOP alliances now are full of iron-medieval age accounts. And some people are claiming that they are not sandbagging or hoping for easier opponents. Wt.... really??? where are gone those 2k medal minimum req to stay on your alliances? where those min 130 lvl on min industrial age limits gone??? and for some alliances they still exists, but how those low level-medal bases got in then?? stop pretending that suddenly you all become so friendly that you alowed 5 or 10 low level accounts to enter your elite squads!! probably before glory they were booted in a few seconds if someone alowed to join those strongest alliances.

Tbh, the top advancement alliances have it really bad with war glory right now too, if their goal is to advance on the only leaderboard that exists for teams. Because so many started sandbagging, it became even harder or even impossible to get matched if they went in with a full strength roster. And, if two full advancement teams went head to head after the long wait for a match, they would almost certainly stalemate, effectively excluding them from leaderboards. Im in no way condoning sandbagging/stacking, but I do understand that the current setup really sucks for them too.

Its why Nexon cant wait months to do something about it...and hopefully will have more specific detail on what they plan on doing, very soon.
 

S_How

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Phil, are you really going to content that "ability" has anything to do with outcome in a sandbagged match? Surely this is sarcasm, right?
 

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Phil-Elite
Hey whats your stance on war with ProdigalThieves Phil? We are waiting on your numbers and time. You Elite lolll
You claim we are unable to fight good. Lets see if you can handle our team with your sandbaggs accounts /or without them, whatever you want
 

Nakfarfar Titi

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I'm seeing new alliances names when it comes to 'Justifed Sandbags'.

The only alliances with stacking justified for them are Korea Army, The 1st Dynasty, Top Team Korea, UA Obsidian, 50, Good People, K1, Korea Union.
Simply because everyone else added sandbags, there is no one else to play with anymore at high leagues. (Not because 'everyone is doing it').
So if these listed alliances didn't add sandbags they will have no one to match with, no one to play against. The playground is empty.
They will search for 1-2 days and match with the same 1-3 alliances getting stalemates forever.
Most of them added sandbags just enough to get a match, most of them still get only hard wars which belong to their weight class only and not to the lower weight class. And of course some of them added lots of sandbags and are mostly getting easy wars.

So literally every other alliance name (using sandbags) you see on the leaderboard or on the forum, which is not among the listed alliances above, IS indeed trying to avoid defeats. Now you know who you should be angry with beside Nexon :)
 
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