New Nation can't be European, Asian or the USA!!!

[ElliotTheKid]

There are enough European and Asian nations!! And the US does not have enough history to be a new nation. The upcoming nation must be either Russia, India or some sort of Arabic nation.

 

[FroggyKilla]

But.... Russia is in Europe..... And in Asia. If anything, Saudi Arabia might be the next one.

 

[radiospace]

Russia is in Europe; India is in Asia.

 

[AmbriaJT]

I am pretty sure he means Western European & Oriental.

Zulu would be great.

Also rather than calling it USA you could call it American. There have been homo sapiens on the western hemisphere for 10000 years.

Another idea would be Pacific Islander. If they were to implement some sort of usage of our water this would work.

You could call the middle eastern nation the Ottomans.

Why isn't Egypt a nation yet?

Be part of the revolution. Be victorious.

Invictus Army!

 

[T1g3rs65]

Technically it doesn't have to be around for the whole timeline the roman unique eventually turns into a Italian unit because the roman empire was no longer around. So America could be the opposite start off as natives and progress into America.

Also they could just add revolution only countries that could give u a second unique on top of your original country maybe they could be like special planes and stuff.

 

[radiospace]

Pretty sure Native Americans would find their civilization "progressing" automatically into the United States quite offensive. If they want to do something with the Americas the Aztecs and Incas have always worked in Civilization.

I'm onboard with the idea of civs you can only get to via Revolution, in which case the U.S. should grow out of the British side.

I think India would be a far better choice than Russia. Arabia and the Ottomans are also good choices (both historically and to add interest for players in the Middle East).

 

[FroggyKilla]

Add Spain, Saudi Arabia, the Ottoman Empire, Russia, India (with Modern Age release and Manhattan Project as Wonder), Egypt, Indonesia, Austro-Hungary, and..... Polynesia

 

[T1g3rs65]

How would that be offensive they are in the united states today or did I miss that part of history. There are many countries that were once sovereign and now apart of the united states. You can't change history and acting like it wasn't apart of history is ridiculous. Many countries have fallen. Most of my DNA comes from nations that were destroyed by the Nazis and America.

That's just like this whole thing over crying about the chiefs and the redskins football teams. When was the last time u heard a anscestor of the Vikings cry about the football team. At least the country and culture is remembered and not forgotten.

There are multiple cultures being wiped off the face of this earth as we speak and yeah we live directly in there legacy they taught us many things and now there apart of America. Yeah unfortunate things happend but they did happen. Rome fell the natives fell the Ottoman empire fell everyone falls its what happens after that matters. Could have been conquered by much worse people that wouldn't have left survivors and let them practice there culture. Yeah I think they should have been free but history happens for a reason.

 

[radiospace]

Native Americans were ethnically cleansed from their lands by European Americans (and that's putting it lightly), therefore it is not appropriate to depict them as "evolving" into the United States. This has nothing to do with Rome and Italy, where we are talking about the same people under different governments, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the Minnesota Vikings.

 

[AmbriaJT]

Ethnically cleanses? The same can be said for many of these other nations at some point.

I guess we can't have an Ottomon because of what they did in WW1. No England because of what they did to the Scotts, Blacks, Indians & Pirates. No Germany because of what they did to the Jews. Northern China is still realing from What Japan did to them in WW2. While you are at it take out France. They were the ring leaders for all but 2 of the 411 crusades. We will never see a Spain for the Aztecs and Incas. Rome needs to go. Look what they did to Spartacus. Poor, poor Spartacus. Look what Kim Gon Kill is doing in Korea and China to their citizens.

Leave politics and historical morale out of this. No nation can win an argument like that. They can only lose worse.

Be part of the revolution. Be victorious.

Invictus Army!

 

[FroggyKilla]

I thought we were past this.... Needless drivel. Sure it was a dark chapter in history, but fuck me you have a right to get offended, but not a right to censor offensive content.

 

[T1g3rs65]

This is a game about history the real history not the censored oh I may get butthurt rose colored glasses history.

 

[ElliotTheKid]

Lets get nazi related content censored from history books... its offensive. Cmon dont get off topic. And yes, AmbriaJT got what i meant

 

[radiospace]

Ambria JT, you are an idiot.

I didn't say we couldn't have the U.S. because of how they treated the Native Americans, I said that it is ridiculous, grossly historically inaccurate, and offensive to depict Native Americans "evolving" into White Europeans. And that goes for you, too, ElliottTheKid and Tiger65. You are the ones who want the truth censored -- you want to show Native Americans "evolving" into the people who drove them from their land? That's not real history, that's a white supremacy fantasy.

 

[radiospace]

Hey, since you guys are so devoted to the academic pursuit of history through playing this game, here is a suggestion: Since the Japan side is badly in need of a buff, I suggest adding a benefit that when they attack a Korean city, and win, they bring home Comfort Women -- one for each star they earn in the battle.

The Comfort Women will be depicted in the Japanese worker houses, staring morosely out the window. Perhaps they are chained to the bed.

The advantage for the Japanese player will be that his workers who have Comfort Women in their houses will complete tasks 10% faster (because they are in a hurry to get home to some of that Comfort Woman love).

Of course the Comfort Women die after awhile, from sadness, so they need to continually raid Korean cities in order to maintain this new benefit.

I think it sounds pretty neat, and also, unlike your fantasies about Cherokee "evolving" into white people, it actually has some basis in history! (Which, as you've said, you are dedicated to the completely "uncensored" pursuit of re-enacting in Dominations).

 

[T1g3rs65]

Okay then we will have a bunch of ships pull into the dock kill all the citizens burn the houses and rape the women I bet the Indians would love replaying there history exactly instead of just switching hands.

 

[AmbriaJT]

I am no idiot. The point I wished to portray is that your post and reason for disclusion was just as ridiculous as mine.

If you dwell on the past and act that you can change it you're going to put yourself through a lot of disappointments in your lifetime.

Good luck with that.

Be part of the revolution. Be victorious.

Invictus Army!

 

[T1g3rs65]

Let's make it even more accurate and offensive since we can't just do it the simple way because that would be offensive.

Its offensive to make it exactly the way they did the other nations. Well let's remove the romans because we didn't depict the barbarian invasion. Oh and lets get rid of Germany since we didn't depict the fall of Prussia.

Yeah they were killed big deal eventually we made peace with them and Mexico and my people as well. Now we are represented all under one flag not just the "white man" we are represented by every culture including the indians so get over it.

 

[Cielmers]

And the US does not have enough history to be a new nation.

what about Industrial age Roman and cleopatra driving a tank. That also not historically correct.

 

[radiospace]

Let's make it even more accurate and offensive since we can't just do it the simple way because that would be offensive.

Its offensive to make it exactly the way they did the other nations. Well let's remove the romans because we didn't depict the barbarian invasion. Oh and lets get rid of Germany since we didn't depict the fall of Prussia.

Yeah they were killed big deal eventually we made peace with them and Mexico and my people as well. Now we are represented all under one flag not just the "white man" we are represented by every culture including the indians so get over it.

Nothing you have stated here is evenly remotely relevant to your argument that the Native Americans should be depicted as evolving into the United States:

--- Rome is not depicted as evolving into a Barbarian kingdom

--- the Barbarians did not ethnically cleanse Romans from the Italian peninsula

--- Nobody has called for removing Rome from the game

--- Nobody has called for removing Germany from the game

--- Nobody has said that the U.S. should not be included in the game because of its amoral history

--- The Prussians are not depicted as evolving into Germany (even though this would not be an unreasonable abstraction of history)

--- The Prussians were Germanic people in the majority; in no way were they ethnically cleansed from their lands by the Germans (because being Germans themselves, this would be nonsensical), therefore their example is completely irrelevant to the Native American / European history

--- there is no example in the game of one nation "evolving" to become the people who wiped them off the face of the map

--- there has never, to my knowledge, been a computer game that represented a black or brown or Asian race "leveling up" to become white; you are proposing an entirely novel idea that is a) historically untrue b) offensive c) completely unnecessary for any reason in Dominations other than to cause offense and express white supremacy