New Nation can't be European, Asian or the USA!!!

[ElliotTheKid]

There are enough European and Asian nations!! And the US does not have enough history to be a new nation. The upcoming nation must be either Russia, India or some sort of Arabic nation.

 

[T1g3rs65]

America is not white america is not one race and nobody cleansed them they lost a war. What happened was assimilation by conquring.

I was saying we could do it that way since the op said we can't so obviously you were proven wrong on your statement no one said we can't since the op did obviously.

Same with china they conquered all the other dynasty's to make china.

So basically everyone of the cultures evolved into something they never were so get over yourself.

I would much rather have a simple American Nation but so many people say it can't be done because of this or that. But the obvious hate for America worldwide doesn't help. If you put all the current nations to the same standards as everyone is pushing against America then we wouldn't have a game.

Also your comment about Indians all being dark is utter crap since the Cherokee are white and not related to the tribes that came across the straight. It's been long believed they are related to the lost Jewish tribe that we have no DNA to test and they have been trying to test against multiple European nations.

It's not evolving I was trying to put a reasonable thing without picturing Indians getting slaughtered or not having a nation because its not historically accurate. There are still Indians today in America they didn't go anywhere they just lost.

We could show prewar and afterwar stuff since no other nation shows wars. Then get assimilated as Americans. We are not European or Spanish or french or even Asian. We are America and that's as far as it goes we came here to put that side of the world in the past. We are Americans

 

[FroggyKilla]

Glad to see a thread about wanting Russia in the game get ruined.

 

[radiospace]

America is not white america is not one race and nobody cleansed them they lost a war. What happened was assimilation by conquring.

I was saying we could do it that way since the op said we can't so obviously you were proven wrong on your statement no one said we can't since the op did obviously.

Same with china they conquered all the other dynasty's to make china.

So basically everyone of the cultures evolved into something they never were so get over yourself.

I would much rather have a simple American Nation but so many people say it can't be done because of this or that. But the obvious hate for America worldwide doesn't help. If you put all the current nations to the same standards as everyone is pushing against America then we wouldn't have a game.

Also your comment about Indians all being dark is utter crap since the Cherokee are white and not related to the tribes that came across the straight. It's been long believed they are related to the lost Jewish tribe that we have no DNA to test and they have been trying to test against multiple European nations.

It's not evolving I was trying to put a reasonable thing without picturing Indians getting slaughtered or not having a nation because its not historically accurate. There are still Indians today in America they didn't go anywhere they just lost.

We could show prewar and afterwar stuff since no other nation shows wars. Then get assimilated as Americans. We are not European or Spanish or french or even Asian. We are America and that's as far as it goes we came here to put that side of the world in the past. We are Americans

The Native Americans did not "lose a war" and they were not assimilated. They were forcibly removed to reservations on the poorest, most barren land in America (where many continue to live to this day). The America that did this WAS white and American continued to be ruled by whites until at least the 1960's civil rights movement. For example, the army was still segregated in World War 2. I believe every officer and 99.99% of all soldiers who participated in the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans were white, supported by an entirely white government, paid for entirely by the taxes on white businesses. White, white, white. So just try to whitewash that.

How was the Trail of Tears a "war"? How is that assimilation?

The Cherokee were white? They were Jews? LOL. Wow. OK, we can add anti-Semitic to the list of American sins.

 

[Morality]

The Native Americans did not "lose a war" and they were not assimilated. They were forcibly removed to reservations on the poorest, most barren land in America (where many continue to live to this day). The America that did this WAS white and American continued to be ruled by whites until at least the 1960's civil rights movement. For example, the army was still segregated in World War 2. I believe every officer and 99.99% of all soldiers who participated in the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans were white, supported by an entirely white government, paid for entirely by the taxes on white businesses. White, white, white. So just try to whitewash that.

How was the Trail of Tears a "war"? How is that assimilation?

The Cherokee were white? They were Jews? LOL. Wow. OK, we can add anti-Semitic to the list of American sins.

What? The Natives were in quite the amount of wars. Have you even heard of Tecumseh? He led some Native American groups to fight. Don't get me started on the Iroquios League. They manage to fight off the British and the French (they were operating fur trades until the Americans starting forcing them off). Don't forget the Native Americans that the Spanish had killed, in a war. The Aztec, the Inca. I mean a good portion of Natives were assimilated.

So here's the thing: Life would be quite different in America had we not had the help of the the Natives. Look at the Navajo. They helped us defend our plans during WW2. I mean the pretty much all white army was there because we had different thoughts back then. Racist thoughts. We stopped the systematic oppression in 1964, but racism still very well exists. If you want to be all Negative Nancy, then do it somewhere else.

I would agree with the Trail of Tears not being a war. The rest I also agree. I'm all for putting an end to racism, but we weren't THAT Anti-Semitic, nor will we have to relive the past. Forward we march in the year 2016.

 

[radiospace]

What? The Natives were in quite the amount of wars. Have you even heard of Tecumseh? He led some Native American groups to fight. Don't get me started on the Iroquios League. They manage to fight off the British and the French (they were operating fur trades until the Americans starting forcing them off). Don't forget the Native Americans that the Spanish had killed, in a war. The Aztec, the Inca. I mean a good portion of Natives were assimilated.

So here's the thing: Life would be quite different in America had we not had the help of the the Natives. Look at the Navajo. They helped us defend our plans during WW2. I mean the pretty much all white army was there because we had different thoughts back then. Racist thoughts. We stopped the systematic oppression in 1964, but racism still very well exists. If you want to be all Negative Nancy, then do it somewhere else.

I would agree with the Trail of Tears not being a war. The rest I also agree. I'm all for putting an end to racism, but we weren't THAT Anti-Semitic, nor will we have to relive the past. Forward we march in the year 2016.

I never claimed that there weren't legitimate wars between the Europeans and Indians. However, the complete removal of people of Native American ethnicity from the eastern seaboard went far beyond war to what we would certainly today call ethnic cleansing. Also, some "wars" were the result of the U.S. repeatedly breaking treaties with the Indians... i.e., we will let you keep half your land forever, if you give us the other half... they give the settlers half their land, then a year later, the settlers move in and take the other half -- the tribe fights back -- the white man hollers "Savages!" and sends in the cavalry. This happened many, many times.

I was being completely facetious with the anti-semitic comment, since I don't believe the Cherokee were the Lost Tribe of Israel.

 

[T1g3rs65]

I am part Cherokee and yes most of them are of white complection and they have a whole documentary on the history channel about how the cherokee are trying to find there true lineage how about actually look something up before u dismiss it for one.

They were wars they didn't just go out to kill Indians for no reason and yeah we may have broke a few treaties but they also attacked without going to the authorities basically being barbarians. U don't go and assault someone in a civilized society do you. The government can't always control its citizens especially when acting outside of the government. But they have the obligation to protect there citizens. Both parties are guilty get over it. If we wanted to cleanse them I promise they wouldn't be here or we wouldn't anymore and we wouldn't be having this silly conversation. We wouldn't have kept letting them move west. America has wars for money or other physical gain as in land we have never had a war for moral reasons no matter what the governmentwants you to believe.

They are a strong and resilient people and some have made great lives for themselves and hopefully one day they will be free with the rest of us.

 

[FroggyKilla]

Maybe they can add (fantasy) units. They had no problem with that for the Praetorian Fusilier. I mean we can invent some new things. But they went back on that with the next unit after the Praetorian Fusilier, the Alpini, but the idea of (What If History) should be a fun part of this game. If we can be reasonable enough, it can work out that American can be played during the pre-Gunpowder Ages. It can be more interesting. Ok? If you like this idea, great! Now we can think of what type of unique unit the Americans can have (personally it should be Assault Infantry with the Minuteman replacing the Fusilier). Trained in a minute's notice, it should be trained 2x as fast as normal infantry, and have a +15% DPS bonus. Any more suggestions.