“The Road to Better World War Matchmaking” aka Sandbagging!

[Glacier]

Mine get deleted too Quebec, so don't think your alone. I have had whole threads deleted, lol.

Sux matching 4 straight sandbaggers, we're currently in a rematch with VN WeRFamily. So thats 2 more losses because Nexon is taking their sweet time figuring out this thing they call 'Diversity'. No we can't win against an alliance with 15 capped globals, however we shouldn't be matching an alliance like that. So yeah Nb4, I will come on here and create hale till its fixed!

 

[Scots Guards No 1]

Mr Train we are all still waiting for you solution, a lot of players are unhappy with this continuing issue, can we have an update please ? you have had probably hundreds of ideas from us the players can we get some action asap

 

[Riyad604]

They said they plan on maybe having a solution when AA drops. They are testing solutions is the best answer I have seen from NB4

 

[Equal]

ok, but recently they rank players based on a stars in the sky, not the actual offense/defense upgrades made. last three months only upgrading my defense (attack is nearly max, exept generals), and i am continously falling on our alliances war ranks. and also ideas to apply different modifiers for each age is not so great. imagine an alliance of 10-15 fresh globals or industrials. what to do for them? stop warring for two months because they are 'global' or 'industrial'? this would lead to even more sandbagging then it is now.

 

[poop_]

Glacier, you make the logical point. Yes, the reason is that they are stuck up.
They got themselves into this situation by being exclusive to only top players. They then complain about their situation, think someone else should fix it, and then make the whole community suffer for it.
Btw, glacier, why hasn't anyone in your alliance joined discord? All the cool kids with morals are doing it (and some without morals, but that is besides the point). But, at least you can set up H2Hs with a non-bully. Just try it.

 

[Glacier]

@poop, I forwarded the article to VZ. The majority just want to log, collect resources, raid some and war. The group as whole isn't wanting to put that kinda work into the game. I myself have just started a new job yesterday so my semi-retirement has ended :-[ Now my time on the game just took a hit as well.

We took a vote and are now changing up our war strategy a bit. We were seeing frequent stacker alliances, even though we keep swapping around the war size lol. Stacking in the World War arena is starting to look like the Black Plague. So we prolly gonna let it ride, try to aqueeze as much fun as we can out of this situation, settle on the floor (12k glory) and laugh at the stackers when they match us for no glory rewards ;-]

While they match wars to where they can lazily battle on cruise control, we on the other hand will be battling these harder bases vastly improving our attack skills ;-]

A shout out to any active players around the lower ages: if the big boys are to stuck up to let you play in their sandbox, VZ has room for you :-D
We'll teach, learn and have fun doing it.

 

[Toryon]

So what exactly was done in the AA release to address this issue. I could be blind but looking at the patch notes I do not see anything that is suppose to fix the issue.

 

[Chadwicke]

This thread was a complete lie , no intention to fix the problem only to make it worse , can't increase top level to 500 and have alliances not stack , this makes war even more unfair , we got an alliance now with a 218 it just came out today!!!!!!! 5 irons and 10 gunpowder , I suggest we all uninstall this game and leave it to the them , if I were running a business I would cater to all , they don't want the ones of us who only spend a little they one big purchases well guess what all those who spend 10-50 a week are obsolete now and when the big spenders get max they will stop spending this game won't exist in a few months , it's rigged , wars can't be won at all now without cash and or sandbags , this thread was started as a lie there is absolutely no intention to fix the problem

 

[poop_]

Chadwicke, I think they just adjusted the levels to reflect what players had already upgraded. So, all those 198s weren't really 198.

 

[Chadwicke]

I'm still 40 levels below my mirror base 1 is 50 levels above our base 1 and it stays 30-40 levels for the top 18 plenty to max score in 35 attacks

 

[Green Master]

I don't want to match a team that is 10 % weaker or 10% stronger. Makes no fun and wasted 2 days. Tighten it to 5% please: It is only a change of 1 parameter.
Thanks

 

[NickDW5]

There is a very simple sollution to this problem.. You can make wars more interesting and tackle sandbagging in one (ok two) small adjustment(s): Let people attack 1 time instead of 2. And double rewards for taking down a base.

Result:

- A lot less stalemates in stronger alliances.
- Every attack counts, so you need all players to be strong. Now with 2 attacks the stronger attackers can cover the attacks of the sandbag players.

Even if you don't do the above, please do something. We as a top 100 alliance dont want to sandbag but as a result we are looking for a ww match mostly more than a full day.

 

[jogomo07]

Good news, the best one! Congratulations, we'll be waiting!

 

[Guest]

Hello Leaders,


First off, let me quickly introduce myself. My name is Brian, and as Tim mentioned in the October State of the Nations, I have joined the Big Huge Games team as the Executive Producer for DomiNations. In my first post to the community, I would like to provide an update regarding the sandbagging issue and some of the changes that are coming up in the next week.


Let me start off by apologizing for the silence on our end. Part of why there’s been no news is that we wanted to be careful when making changes to World Wars and Glory. Specifically, we had to address the issue while ensuring that we don’t punish Alliances that legitimately want to bring players of various Ages. Instead, we wanted to target only those Alliances that are attempting to exploit the system by sandbagging. To meet that goal, we’ve been iterating a lot on the new design and running simulations to validate that the changes will work as intended.


In the next week, we will be rolling out a few changes to the way that Alliances gain and lose Glory. With this update, sandbagging Alliances gain less Glory in victory and lose more Glory in defeat. Legitimate Alliances are rewarded more for beating sandbagging Alliances and punished less for losing to them. Overall, legitimate Alliances will be gaining more Glory with each victory. This will make it very difficult for sandbagging Alliances to remain in prominent positions on the leaderboard.


We acknowledge that this may not be the only change that is required to disincentivize sandbagging Alliances. It’s a tricky problem, and we’ll continue to monitor its impact on the Glory leaderboard and the experience of World War. We consider this update the first step toward minimizing the effectiveness of this strategy without overly penalizing Alliances that bring players of various Ages to War.


We will make sure to announce when these changes are live so that you can test them out for yourself. We will also be welcoming your feedback on this change. Thanks to everyone in the community for continuing to highlight this very important issue!


Thank you,

BDS

 

[S_How]

Thanks for the update, and I do appreciate the first steps are being made. I think this is one small step forward, there will surely have to be many more. I hope you have a fix for stalemates coming soon as well

 

[Europeos]

If you do this but don't address the stalemate issue this won't be the end of sandbagging, as little glory is still better than no glory at all... The current top 10 alliances just have systematical stalemates when facing each other...

 

[JuDomines]

Europeos ruined the whole strategy in one sentence lol. I fully agree with him. Distribute some glory in case of stalemate and sandbagging will go away in A flash.

 

[Jakob_888]

We have now been searching over 48 hours...

PLEASE FIX THE REAL PROBLEM

So has United Allies, Korea Army, Vikings, RATs, Dutch Warlords, 1st, Top Team Korea, Good People etc etc etc...

And please dont imply the best and oldest teams in the game are inlegimate.
That is really completly unbelieveble to hear.

We are your oldest fans, Nexon - who represent the biggest part of your community.
Please dont give in for a little group of players who are trying to take over the forum.

They will not be here in the long run - we will.

 

[DynoBot]

It has been over 4 days since we matched in war. I cannot get an answer from Nexon regarding the issue, maybe a moderator here could shed some light on what is the problem. CAN WE PLEASE GET AN ANSWER.
Sandbagging was a bi-product of stalemates. Of course there are some teams that do take it to another extreme like Dankness. Although, Nexon did give Dankness a spot on Facebook, proving once again Nexon really has no idea of the internals (community, flaws, bugs) of Dominations.
Instead of making adjustments to glory as proposed in the State of the Nations, why not FIX THE GLORY and MATCHING SYSTEMS. I also agree by listening to only the players that speak the loudest, Nexon is really dropping the ball. Most of the forum regulars that are very vocal here only represent a small fraction of Nexon's community. The community as a whole would like changes geared towards an improvement of the game and not changes that are favourable to a select few. I am FOR A FAIR SYSTEM.

 

[S_How]

It has been over 3 days since we matched in war. I cannot get an answer from Nexon regarding the issue, maybe a moderator here could shed some light on what is the problem. CAN WE PLEASE GET AN ANSWER.
Sandbagging was a bi-product of stalemates. Of course there are some teams that do take it to another extreme like Dankness. Although, Nexon did give Dankness a spot on Facebook, proving once again Nexon really has no idea of the internals (community, flaws, bugs) of Dominations.
Instead of making adjustments to glory as proposed in the State of the Nations, why not FIX THE GLORY and MATCHING SYSTEMS. I also agree by listening to the babies that cry the loudest, Nexon is really dropping the ball. Most of the forum voices know they don't belong on leaderboard, but complaing is more satisfying to them I suppose than admitting they lack the skills of being a top team. The players that are very local here only represent a small fraction of Nexon's community. The actual community would like changes geared towards an improvement of the game and not changes that are favourable to a select few. I am FOR A FAIR SYSTEM.

It's far from a vocal minority that sandbagging impacts. In fact I'd say it's way more than the 10 or so top advancement teams that are impacted by long march times and constant stalemates. But to be honest pointing fingers and calling people babies, while very ironic, does nothing to help advance a solution.

I could care less about the leaderboard, i just want to have fun in wars. Instead, in 100% of wars my team has at 35+, we match against teams that outrank our top half by an incredible amount, bases are unapproachable by our middle folks because they are outmatched by two ages, and our bottom quartile is constantly tasked with clearing Iron Age bases for 5k food and gold. It's miserable. To me, it's worse than having to wait longer for a match or facing the same team or a lot of stalemates. I guess you may not be able to understand that because you have no risk of facing it yourself.

But, nexon needs to solve both sandbagging and stalemates at once, otherwise it's unfair to one group or another. I do agree with that. And it's not a fair setup for the top advancement teams. This solution will filter out the sucky stacking teams, of which there are sooooo many. It will probably not have any impact at all to the top teams like UA, 1D, etc. They already get very little glory because of their rank(I know we have tons of under 100 glory wars and we are at like 60 or 70 in rank I think. But, it's really very far from being able to solve the issues with war. I hope they really focus on stalemates soon. I'm fine with them putting this in if they follow it with more improvements over the coming weeks(although the pessimist in me has trouble really believing they have a plan). But I'm willing to give it a shot, because there are so many teams suffering right now....for teams like mine war couldn't possibly be worse than it is right now and this is at least something small in an attempt to improve things.